Serene Grace vs Sheer Force

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    Default Serene Grace vs Sheer Force

    This is probably the first ability poll. Still, we have Serene Grace, which encourages secondary effects from moves, and we also have Invigorate, a new ability, which negates secondary effects, but enhances power in return.

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    (26/10/10)
    Alright, now the full effects of Invigorate/Brute Force is known.

    Serene Grace
    Effect: Grants a move that has a secondary effect a doubled chance of it happening (so Thunderbolt's paralysis chance is upped to 20% and Rock Smash is now 100%).
    Distribution: Blissey line, Togekiss line, Dunsparce, Jirachi, Shaymin-S, Shikijika line (the deer), Meloetta

    Invigorate / Brute Force
    Effect: Increases the power of a move with a secondary effect by 30%, but that secondary effect (ones that Serene Grace would benefit) wouldn't happen. If Life Orb is the held item, the power increase of those moves stacks, and the recoil from Life Orb is negated (meaning powerful drawback-free attacks).
    Distribution: Nidoqueen (only), Nidoking (only), Kingler line, Tauros, Feraligatr line, Steelix (only), Hariyama line, Mawile, Trapinch (only), Bagon (only), Roobushin line, Hihidaruma, Crimgan, Wargle line, Landlos

    So, what will it be? Effect or Power?
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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    For me, it depends on the pokemon using the abilities. Serene Grace is GREAT for those that'd have moves like ancient power, and invigorate is wonderful for those that want to use Overheat and such

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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    I dont really know...Serene Grace?

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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    Hihidaruma's a Fire-type with Invigorate. Can you imagine how powerful that Overheat is?

    Anyway, I'm more familiar with Serene Grace.
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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    Serene Grace. Especially for togekiss and shaymin sky forme
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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    Serene Grace, a paralyzation from thunderbolt saved my butt in the E4.

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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    Serene grace.
    well it just sounds cooler.

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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    Serene Grace. Gotta love 60% flinch rate.


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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    Quote Originally Posted by Spikeheila View Post
    For me, it depends on the pokemon using the abilities. Serene Grace is GREAT for those that'd have moves like ancient power, and invigorate is wonderful for those that want to use Overheat and such
    THIS. What is often overlooked when people hear "negates effect" is that it also negates bad effects. A 182 power Overheat without the Sp Att drop is a FORCE.
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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    Invigorate can make a few moves much more favorable to use (Leaf Storm, Overheat, ect) in exchange for a measly status effect.

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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    Invigorate. I have always hated Overheat/Leaf Storm for the Spcl. Atk drop, but this makes them useful.

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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    The abuse of Togekiss and Jiarchi proves that Serene Grace would beat Invigorate 100% of the time. It just seems like a worse Hustle.

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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ino-chan View Post
    The abuse of Togekiss and Jiarchi proves that Serene Grace would beat Invigorate 100% of the time. It just seems like a worse Hustle.
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    Invigorate hasn't even been adapted into the game. It's up and coming. Just because those pokes are used a lot now, and will probably be used a lot in the future doesn't mean Invigorate will be outclassed by it.
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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    Invigorate + overheat/leafstorm/dracometeor = pain.
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    Default Re: Serene Grace vs Invigorate

    I'm fairly certain Invigorate also cancels out the recharge turn in moves like Hyper Beam. Finally, they become useful! (Maybe.)
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