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    Default Re: Gyarados vs Milotic

    Milotic looks better, but not by much. Gyarados with Moxie is boss
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    Default Re: Gyarados vs Milotic

    I like them both, but I like Milotic more. I just do.

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    Default Re: Gyarados vs Milotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Grass Type Trainer View Post
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    Those who say Milotic always wins because it has Hidden Power Electric fail to realize that there is a mystical item that Gyarados can use:



    WACAN BERRY.

    Yup, and if it carries Wacan Berry, Gyara can use a 252 HP/252 SpD RestTalk + Dragon Dance set with Earthquake to destroy Milotic. Taunt also exists, and if Milotic is Taunted, it has no way to recover.
    Okay, let's do this thing then. The odds of a Hidden Power [Electric] Milotic fighting a bulky RestTalk Gyarados with a Wacan Berry are very slim, but lets take the scenario and run with it, shall we?

    TURN 1:

    Gyarados uses Taunt
    Milotic uses Hidden Power [Electric]
    Wacan Berry Weakens HP[E], Gyarados survives.

    TURN 2:

    Gyarados uses Earthquake
    Milotic survives because duh, and proceeds to KO with a now 4x effective HP[E] because Gyarados never healed from the first hit.

    Alternative #1-

    TURN 2:

    Gyarados uses Rest, he recovers all his HP
    Milotic uses the now 4x effective HP [E]. I'm not in the mood to do the damage calcs right now, but Gyara should be dead, however, let's assume for the sake of argument that he survives.

    TURN 3:

    Gyarados uses Sleep Talk; Gyarados uses Earthquake.
    Milotic survives because duh. Milotic uses HP [E,] now Gyarados dies.


    Alternative #2-

    TURN 1:

    Gyarados uses EQ
    Milotic survives and uses HP [E,] which Waccan Berry weakens. Gyarados survives.

    TURN 2:

    Gyarados uses Taunt
    Milotic can't recover because of the Taunt
    (In essence, this was a waste of a turn)

    TURN 3:

    Gyarados uses EQ, Milotic survives because since you're using a Bulky set, you didn't invest nearly enough EVs in your attack stat.
    Milotic uses HP [E,] Gyarados dies because he never healed from the first HP [E].

    OR-

    TURN 3:

    see Alternative #1 above.

    Whichever way you spin it, Gyarados loses that particular battle.
    Are you kidding me? OK, let me tell you a little secret:
    Physically defensive Milotic using Hidden Power Electric against 252HP/248 SDef+/8Spe Gyarados WITHOUT Wacan Berry: 40.6% - 48.7%. That means Gyarados can set up two Dragon Dances and then use Rest.
    Now, +2 252HP/248 SDef/8Spe Gyarados using Bounce against 252HP/252 Def+ Milotic: 47.3% - 55.7%. So, Milotic can be 2HKOed by Bounce.

    Now let's see 0 Sp.Atk Milotic using Hidden Power Electric against standard Choice Band Gyarados(72 HP/0 SDef): 58.5% - 68.8%.
    Adamant Choice Band Gyarados using Earthquake against 252HP/252Def+ Milotic: 74.3% - 87.5%
    Jolly Choice Band Gyarados using Earthquake against 252HP/252Def+ Milotic: 67.7% - 79.6%

    EDIT:
    Even if Milotic decides to waste it's tremendous bulk and run 252 SpA+, Hidden Power Electric is not guaranteed to OHKO standard Choice Band Gyarados. In return, Adamant CB Gyarados using Bounce on 0/0 Milotic: 81.9% - 96.4%
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    Default Re: Gyarados vs Milotic

    I just have to say, in all the time I've played in UU I have yet to encounter a Milotic that runs Hidden Power Electric. Not saying that you couldn't run HP Electric, but it's something of a contrived way for her to triumph over Gyarados. On the other hand, neither of these Pokemon are particularly effective against one another. Milotic struggles to damage Gyarados outside of residual damage, whereas Gyarados will have serious trouble setting up on Milotic without Substitute, as Dragon Tail bypasses Taunt.

    Of course I still prefer Milotic over Gyarados, since I prefer her elegant design to his fierce one, and she is legitimately hard to obtain as opposed to being ridiculously common. It's just a shame Milotic is so insanely one-dimensional in the battling department. Neither of them are up there with any of my favourite Pokemon though.

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    Default Re: Gyarados vs Milotic

    Gyarados to all of the questions you asked. For a Pokemon so freakin' rare Milotic only seems worth it for looks.
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    Default Re: Gyarados vs Milotic

    Can we stop using Hidden Power as an argument? Genesect is not a counter to Umbreon, HP Fire always 2HKOes! Heatran walls Houndoom? Shut up, Hidden Power Ground OHKOes 100% of the time!

    As Winterdaze pointed out Milotic with HP Electric is now very rare, so Milo is basically setup fodder for any Gyarados, no matter if it has Dragon Dance, is a RestTalk set, or a DD + Taunt set. Don't forget that Toxic is the bane of Milotic's existence, Marvel Scale doesn't help it at all here.

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    Default Re: Gyarados vs Milotic

    Milotic. I never cared about Gyarados anyway.

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    Default Re: Gyarados vs Milotic

    Gyarados has a big weakness to electric, but it has good speed and moxie. :D Gyarados all the way.

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    Milotic because I prefer Special Attack over Attack.

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    Default Re: Gyarados vs Milotic

    So, which of these powerful Water types do you prefer?
    Gyarados

    Which one is more useful?
    Gyarados

    Which one would win in a battle between the two?
    Milotic through toxic stall or something similair

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