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    Being raised by Pokemon has become increasingly common in the fan fiction community for a variety of reasons after N came along, but I would not personally define it as a cliche yet. Legendary usage is a pretty broad topic. Most journey fics do involve at least one legend in some way. The exact method varies, but using a legend as a starter or the giver of an ancient prophecy that obviously applies to the main character and the main character alone are probably the most cliche ways of doing it and the first is generally associated with bad, bad fics. I've seen it done well, but that was in a semi-parody of the trope so I'm not sure that counts. Most other legend uses are uncommon enough to be not particularly cliche, if only because they tend to come in late in fics and most journey fics do not get to the late game.

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    Is it a cliche to involve legendary Pokemon in your fanfic? I said a while ago that anything given thought and not just done for the sake of doing it would not be a cliche, but at the same time I feel certain things may be over used. Like Legendary involvement.

    Another question is family. I've only read a few Poke-fanfics so far, but how often do people have their main characters start out with no parents?
    About legendary Pokemon: it's really common, and not usually implemented well, but what's cliche are the things done with it.
    1. Team Rocket/whatever tries to capture the legendaries for ULTIMATE POWER
    2. a legendary blesses Our Hero as the chosen one to save the world

    I would not do either of those with legendary Pokemon. But I can't say you shouldn't use them. I intend to eventually feature as many of them as possible in my stories. but with a huge twist. I'm not sure if "all the gods are assholes" has been done much yet. I sure hope not.

    and about family, having the main character be an orphan is absurdly common in fiction in general. It's a Campbellian archetype thing. Here's a quote that explains it pretty well, from encyclopedia.com:
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    Orphan stories chronicle the events surrounding abandoned children forced to navigate life independent of either their biological parents or parental figures. These tales are usually characterized by lost children struggling with issues of past, identity, and emotional security and are often sentimental in nature. A recurring motif throughout children's literature, orphan stories have proven popular among writers for the possibilities it offers in establishing a protagonist lacking either ties or an innate heritage, so as to fully develop the child hero from a blank slate without predetermined guidance. Their popularity may be, in part, due to the inherent sympathetic nature of the orphan, often playing off childhood insecurities about abandonment, displacement, and home. The usage of orphans in children's texts can be traced back to the origins of children's literature itself, with examples of abandoned children populating the mythic and literary traditions of many diverse cultures. Stretching from the canonical legends of such cultural paragons as England's King Arthur and Rome's Romulus and Remus—which depict mystical orphan children growing to epic greatness—to the biblical tradition of Moses, orphan narratives extend across the folkloric fabric of pre-history to the most modern examples of recent children's literature. The Victorian era particularly cherished the developing orphan story canon, with such authors as Charles Dickens establishing a concrete literary standard from which many contemporary orphan narratives are still drawn. Though often highly sentimental, these stories typically featured tragic elements, particularly with regards to establishing the narrator's orphan identity by detailing the deaths of the child's parents, or, in some cases, the dire fate of the child itself, as seen in such stories as Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tale "The Little Match Girl." From these conventions evolved a series of classic young girls' fiction that flourished in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. These turn-of-the-century orphan stories usually featured a plucky child orphan forced to live with emotionally detached relatives, as can be seen in Susan Coolidge's What Katy Did (1873), Johanna Spyri's Heidi (1880), Frances Hodgson Burnett's A Little Princess (1905), and L. M. Montgomery's Anne of Green Gables (1908), among others. The use of the orphan as a literary protagonist remains an important literary device within contemporary children's fiction, adding an important mythic component to such present-day works as J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter series and Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events books.

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    I am getting sick of Giovanni being portrayed as Hot blooded Psychopath instead of the cold blooded Sociopath we all know and love. I am sick reading fan fic and being all dude Giovanni would not do that evil thing as will not help gain money or power.

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    The Rockets in my fic have legendaries. I portray Giovanni as a renegade that works with and against the law, secure in the fact that his criminal enterprises are tolerated, as the Rockets protect the scattered towns and cities of Kanto from the depredations of the Glitch Pokémon.

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    To be fair, Giovanni's motivations in game are by far the least clear of any criminal mastermind. Even the scale of Rocket is left ambiguous in the original Japanese games, implying that he could be anything from a local mob boss to a pawn of a larger and more sinister scheme to a proto-Syndicate boss much like the later generations teams. He wanted a Master Ball, fossils, and money. That's all we know about his goals from the game verse. What he wanted to do (probably catch at least one legend given the Master Ball) is unclear. So it is entirely possible that he would do something that wouldn't gain him money and power, depending upon the interpretation of his character you want to go with.

    Writing him entirely OOC is less forgivable, though.

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    Giovanni is a "legitimate businessman". I think the right way to write him is to watch The Godfather and Goodfellas, and then Wall Street, and then use the characters from those as inspirations.
    Also, he is a Terrible Father.

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    It's not really a cliche, but:
    Characters with bottomless wallets
    Characters who rarely seem to eat or have basic needs like needing the loo
    Virtually fearless characters.
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    I don't know how true this might be these days, since it's about nine years since I discovered pokémorphs and I've read very little since my binging back then, but at the time, the cliches were rife. Team Rocket creating morphs 'for science!', then abusing them horribly for no readily established reason so that they would escape and destroy everything - that was almost universal, and even applied to my first fanfic. Pikachu line, vulpix line, eeveelution morphs all especially common. Human teens merged with their pokémon only to become superpowered, and then suffer endless poorly-directed angst about being a freak, and fantastic racism on the part of the creators. etc.

    Different Eyes was specifically conceptualised as a counter to morph-fic cliches.

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    Speaking of pokémorph fics, there are two cliches I noticed.

    Using pokémorphs and their treatment by Humans to push a "Humans are Bastards" message.

    Silph Co./Team Rocket creating pokémorphs as superweapons.
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    Absolutely. It's pretty much everywhere. I've wondered for a while if there's a link between writing morph fics and feeling estranged from the rest of humanity, actually, precisely because of the ubiquity of 'humans are bastards'.

    One might argue the superweapon thing is canon, seeing as mewtwo is, at least in the manga, a pokemorph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipgbh View Post
    It's not really a cliche, but:
    Characters with bottomless wallets
    Characters who rarely seem to eat or have basic needs like needing the loo
    Virtually fearless characters.
    I remember posting something about the first two cliches on pokecommunity years ago, and I got so much backlash for it I kind of stopped posting there. I still think this is important, not so much the bathroom part anymore (though in one fic I follow, the trainer is pregnant and has to do it all the time and it's kind of hilarious), but the money and eating parts. If your trainer is out in the wild for weeks at a time and never mentions food/fire/water, there might be a problem. Basic necessities might be boring but they're good for generating ideas. Similarly, there should be a mention of money in towns, or at least battling the occasional trainer in the wild for money. I even have the MC in one of my fics win money at the casino, and that sets him up for a while... until the money gets stolen, but anyway.

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