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    Default Re: Capitalisation of Pokemon names

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    I find it grates a little to see attacks or items capitalised.
    "Pikachu, use tackle!" I used to do this too, until I realized that tackle wasn't being used as a verb, and certainly not as a common noun.

    Similarly, a Potion isn't quite what you'd call a potion.
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    Default Re: Capitalisation of Pokemon names

    I tend to get around that by not really specifying which attacks are being used, sometimes. While most of the time it's just 'Magmar, use Flamethrower' etc, I tend to give the Pokemon a bit more freedom and realism with generic commands like 'Crush it!' or 'Tear that Zangoose to bits!'. While not strictly related to capitalisation, I find it avoids having awkwardly-capitalised attack names everywhere. While I don't exactly go out of my way to avoid them, I will skirt around them if I can. That said, the vast majority of moves in my fic do get named.

    I did write a full battle scene once in which only one move got named, iirc, and it seemed to work okay. I think move names should, on the whole, stay capitalised and properly named to avoid confusion between similar attacks. The way some techniques are described, they could be using Ember, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Will-o-wisp, or any other similar move.

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    Default Re: Capitalisation of Pokemon names

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrepentantAuthor View Post
    I find it grates a little to see attacks or items capitalised.
    "Pikachu, use tackle!" I used to do this too, until I realized that tackle wasn't being used as a verb, and certainly not as a common noun.

    Similarly, a Potion isn't quite what you'd call a potion.
    That's a fair point regarding moves being proper nouns. You're certainl right that in that context, they should be capitalised. The thing is, must they be proper nouns in the first place? I've always treated them as common nouns, i.e. "used a thunderbolt". I also like the technique Misheard Whisper has drawn attention to, where the attack is not explicitly named; I find it does give a greater sense of realism, and is more dynamic than formulaic, inflexible moves. Treating attacks as proper nouns seems artificial, and I prefer to find way around needing to do so.

    I'm not quite sure I follow your logic on potions/Potions. Is it not just a word for 'medicine'? I wouldn't say "I need to use a Painkiller" or anything. Care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrepentantAuthor View Post
    I'm not quite sure I follow your logic on potions/Potions. Is it not just a word for 'medicine'? I wouldn't say "I need to use a Painkiller" or anything. Care to elaborate?
    I think it's more like a brand-name... like how you say "I need to use the Advil" and not "I need to use the advil."
    "Potion" (capitalised) is completely different from a "potion" (which is usually a drink, a lot of times magical, whereas Potions are spray-on medicine manufactured by Silph Co. / other companies). My guess is that they took the name from Final Fantasy / similar RPGs who call the healing items "Potions".
    However, it could just be an alternate definition which doesn't correspond to the real-world definition (like how "evolution" isn't talking about the concept we know in real life as "evolution"). In that case it'd be okay to keep it lowercase.

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    Default Re: Capitalisation of Pokemon names

    Quote Originally Posted by unrepentantAuthor View Post
    That's a fair point regarding moves being proper nouns. You're certainly right that in that context, they should be capitalised. The thing is, must they be proper nouns in the first place? I've always treated them as common nouns, i.e. "used a thunderbolt". I also like the technique Misheard Whisper has drawn attention to, where the attack is not explicitly named; I find it does give a greater sense of realism, and is more dynamic than formulaic, inflexible moves. Treating attacks as proper nouns seems artificial, and I prefer to find way around needing to do so.
    Same here. I don't like using those proper nouns either, and I'll often go and do "Squirtle, tackle the Pidgey!", because tackle is an actual tackling motion, and not just the name of an attack.

    I'm not quite sure I follow your logic on potions/Potions. Is it not just a word for 'medicine'? I wouldn't say "I need to use a Painkiller" or anything. Care to elaborate?
    Essentially what Dˁnyḏnnw said. Something like "Parlyz Heal", I would simply call a paralysis healer. No caps needed. And things like Poké Ball are brand names even in the Pokémon world. Kind of like how there's a bit of a dispute between "photoshopped" and "Photoshopped", or "kleenex" and "Kleenex". Do you decapitalize the genericized brand or not?
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    Agreed on moves as verbs and 'paralysis healer', which are entirely sensible. The words of Dˁnyḏnnw are indeed wise, but as with any widely used product, potions would become a genericised trademark very quickly. As I understand it, such words are not capitalised: here in the UK, vacuum cleaners are almost exclusively referred to as 'hoovers' - lowercase - due to the Hoover Company's former dominance.

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    Essentially what Dˁnyḏnnw said. Something like "Parlyz Heal", I would simply call a paralysis healer. No caps needed. And things like Poké Ball are brand names even in the Pokémon world. Kind of like how there's a bit of a dispute between "photoshopped" and "Photoshopped", or "kleenex" and "Kleenex". Do you decapitalize the genericized brand or not?
    As you may have expected, I do not capitalise the generic name. Let's say I had a Silph or Devon representative explaining the merits of his company's newest capture device. Under such circumstances, I would refer to it as a Poké/Great/Ultra/etc Ball. In most cases, however, I will simply write 'pokéball,' which I imagine would be the standard form in-universe when not referring to a specific product. (A little like the way any given cola drink, even a Pepsi, will be said to be a 'coke,' don't you think?) That, or 'capture device,' ha. Does that seem sound to you?

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    Default Re: Capitalization Rules for Pokemon? (Discussion Topic)

    I think it's author's choice. I personally don't capitalize pokemon names unless it's their given name - Ash's Pikachu for example - but I do capitalize attack names because they're used as names/titles for the attack.
    But Farla tends to be pretty bitchy anyway, so I'd take what she says with a grain of salt.
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    I don't capitalize pokemon names in my stories unless the species name is also their given name. Most items remain uncapitalized as well, unless they're types of Pokeballs or Potions. I do it this way because I feel that Pokeballs and Potions are trademarked items within universe, while capitalizing species names just seems unnecessary to me.

    However, I do capitalize attacks because I think of the attack names as titles or actual names.
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    Default Re: Capitalization Rules for Pokemon? (Discussion Topic)

    I capitalize the names, but I don't capitalize the attacks or the word "pokemon" in general.

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    Do you you capitalize the actual word "pokeball", @RaiThunder;?

    Usually I don't capitalize items at all, as they are generic, mass-produced items referred to colloquially. So dusk ball, super potion... anything; it's just names. A dusk ball is a specialized variety of pokeball in the same sense a boot is a specialized variety of footwear. I wouldn't capitalize "boot" because it's a variety of footwear, so I wouldn't capitalize "dusk ball" either.

    However, if they had brands, like the "Silph Co Duskball" versus the "Kurt Enterprises Night Ball" or whatever, then those brand names would be capitalized. Both may be considered the same type of pokeball (specialized for capture in dark areas), just like a boot from Nike and a boot from Puma are both the same type of footwear - specialized for, well, whatever boots are made for (walkin', perhaps?)
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    Default Re: Capitalization Rules for Pokemon? (Discussion Topic)

    I got this from Bulbapedia and I use this when reviewing stories that have Pokemon in them.

    The word Pokémon is always capitalized, as well as the names of Pokémon species. So are nouns starting with "Poké", such as Pokéblock, PokéNav and Poké Flute. Note, however, that there is no one common trend for spelling of words beginning with "Poké" - they can be written as a compound word, with the second part of the word capitalized or uncapitalized, or as two words with the second word capitalized. Also note that this applies to many nouns starting with "Pokémon", such as with Pokémon Trainer.
    Items and all words in them are always capitalized; they are considered proper nouns for the purposes of Bulbapedia. "Leftovers", "Escape Rope", or "Water Stone" are all correct as written; a page would not be titled "Water stone". Case should match that of the game text, such as the DeepSeaTooth.
    Locations should also be capitalized in a manner consistent with English grammar; Ruins of Alph has the A in Alph always capitalized, while numbered routes, such as Route 101, Route 217, and so on, are proper nouns and must have the R capitalized.
    Specific terminology is different; leveling up and legendary Pokémon have a lowercase L, as "starter Pokémon" would have a lowercase "s" (but, of course, a capital P in Pokémon).
    Specific types are called "the Water type" and "the Rock type" when used as nouns and "Water-type" and "Rock-type" when used as adjectives, while their subject pages are Water (type) and Rock (type), respectively. Squirtle is a "Water-type" is not correct; Squirtle is a Water type and Squirtle is a Water-type Pokémon are.
    The plural of "Pokémon" is "Pokémon", as is the plural of every Pokémon species the same as the singular, much like moose or sheep.
    Evolutionary levels should be designated as "unevolved", "first evolution", and "second evolution" for Pokémon that have undergone zero, one, and two evolutions respectively during their development. TCG terminology of "basic Pokémon", "stage 1 Pokémon" and "stage 2 Pokémon" should not spill over into other media, as Pikachu and several other Pokémon are considered basic in the TCG sense, yet are Pokémon that have undergone one evolution in their lifetimes, making them first-evolution Pokémon, more akin to Charmeleon than unevolved Pokémon, which their pre-evolutions are.
    It has a bit more then capitalization in there but that is what I use. (yes I know I don't write but I still review)

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    Default Re: Capitalization Rules for Pokemon? (Discussion Topic)

    I agree that it's up to the author's choice. Personally, I always capitalise Pokémon names and attack names. I may be less strict with attack names at times, but usually I always capitalise.

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    Default Re: Capitalization Rules for Pokemon? (Discussion Topic)

    Wow, Rai, you must have dug deep for this necromancy.

    Anyway, this thread actually predates the Writer's Block, which is why it isn't already in there, but discussion topics should be in the Block, so I'm moving it there now.

    EDIT: After moving this thread into the Block, I realised there was another capitalisation thread in there (though that one merely two years old, rather than three) so I have merged them. You can see the resultant mess throughout this thread. Still, feel free to discuss capitalisation in this thread.
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    I actually do capitalize the word Pokeball @Llama_Guy, because in this world they are corporate owned item in the world I write in. I capitalize other items like 'Potion' and 'Pokedex' as well. I decide whether to capitalize based on whether the product is owned by a company or not. So cheri berry couldn't be capitalized but Super Potion would be, in the same way Advil would be. Dusk Ball is a corporate owned and licensed product of Silph Co. and as such I capitalize it the way I would a Macbook.
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