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    This is also why we encourage using the same thread for Sign-ups and Start-ups, so you don't have that problem.

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    http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f424/my-little-metroid-magic-showtime-%2Ame-hyokamen-brycen-%2A-136507/#post4193490

    http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f424/cutie-mark-crusaders-manehatten-branch-%2A-me-miles-power-%2A-142835/

    http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f425/mlp-kamen-rider-fourze-friendship-between-worlds-%2A-me-kamen-fanatic-%2A-125513/

    http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f431/kamen-rider-ferox-me-gw-99665/

    These are all privite RPS me and friends are doing, they were in the nonpokemon section due to a mix up on our part (none of them are Pokemon related), but could they be moved to the Privite section? I know all but one haven't been posted on in a bit, but that's because one of my friends takes awhile to post and the others we alternate between doing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fokko View Post
    On the forum index you can sort threads by prefixes (its the dropdown box which says "Prefix:"). That way you do not need to wade through forum pages.
    Yeah, but if the point is to make the forum more accessible to newcomers, would they know to do that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flaze View Post
    If you go with the option of having it all in the same thread then you wouldn't have to go too far to look at your sign up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Octy View Post
    This is also why we encourage using the same thread for Sign-ups and Start-ups, so you don't have that problem.
    And doing his would interfere with that solution. While neither of these problems would arise with the old layout.

    I'd also like to point out that we got plenty of users with the old layout. We only lost them around November. Now, it's a bit interesting that it's pretty much about the exact time we came out with this:
    Roleplaying Game Rules (As of November 15, 2012)

    Considering how the board looks now, it's pretty ironic that it's called the cleanup, huh?
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    The activity in these forums was never nowhere near enough to justify the bevy of subforums it had. This was the result of an overly ambitious RPG moderator having zero conception of how to run forums, and little ability to actually bring a project to fruitition before losing interest and moving on to other things.

    1)They made the top-level forum unused. This is one of the worst design mistakes possible. The top-level forum should have been used for either start-up or sign-up.
    2)They introduced needless split. Splitting start-up and sign-up may have been sensible; splitting pokemon and non-pokemon, outside extreme levels of activity (which this forum was never even close to) was an utterly senseless split.
    3)They forced people to shuffle between two separate forum to see active RPs then find out the threads for joining them (for those that still took sign-up. Unnecessary hassle
    4)They encouraged a bureaucratic approach to RPing, with ridiculously over-detailed RP sign-ins forms. This is horrible game design.
    5)It's not immediately obvious to a newcomers to RPG what sign-up and start-up threads are, so needless confusion.

    They were in every possible way a horrible idea. You are not getting them back. Move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzillawolf View Post
    http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f424/my-little-metroid-magic-showtime-%2Ame-hyokamen-brycen-%2A-136507/#post4193490

    http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f424/cutie-mark-crusaders-manehatten-branch-%2A-me-miles-power-%2A-142835/

    http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f425/mlp-kamen-rider-fourze-friendship-between-worlds-%2A-me-kamen-fanatic-%2A-125513/

    http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f431/kamen-rider-ferox-me-gw-99665/

    These are all privite RPS me and friends are doing, they were in the nonpokemon section due to a mix up on our part (none of them are Pokemon related), but could they be moved to the Privite section? I know all but one haven't been posted on in a bit, but that's because one of my friends takes awhile to post and the others we alternate between doing them.
    Sure, I can do that. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Figment View Post
    The activity in these forums was never nowhere near enough to justify the bevy of subforums it had. This was the result of an overly ambitious RPG moderator having zero conception of how to run forums, and little ability to actually bring a project to fruitition before losing interest and moving on to other things.

    1)They made the top-level forum unused. This is one of the worst design mistakes possible. The top-level forum should have been used for either start-up or sign-up.
    2)They introduced needless split. Splitting start-up and sign-up may have been sensible; splitting pokemon and non-pokemon, outside extreme levels of activity (which this forum was never even close to) was an utterly senseless split.
    3)They forced people to shuffle between two separate forum to see active RPs then find out the threads for joining them (for those that still took sign-up. Unnecessary hassle
    4)They encouraged a bureaucratic approach to RPing, with ridiculously over-detailed RP sign-ins forms. This is horrible game design.
    5)It's not immediately obvious to a newcomers to RPG what sign-up and start-up threads are, so needless confusion.

    They were in every possible way a horrible idea. You are not getting them back. Move on.
    Alright, if you don't want input from people who aren't on staff, I guess I will.
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    Also this RP is really cool. It's like Percy Jackson. You can be a god's reincarnation and have powers and you're at a school and it's totally radical!
    http://z13.invisionfree.com/Garden_of_Olympus/index.php?act=idx

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    Asking the RPG forum people for input on whether you'd like your subforums taken away is pretty much akin to asking people if they want their taxes raised. We didn't expect this to be popular with regular users at any point.

    Chiefly because, well, you guys are the ones who are on this forum. If the forum confused you, turned you off, or made you leave, you wouldn't be here to answer. It's obvious you're at least okay and in some cases happy with the current situation. But it's also obvious you're not enough to keep a quality forum going (and, in our evaluation, the problem predates november)

    Many of the other decisions we've settled on as part of trying to turn the RPG forum into something more easily accessed probably won't be entirely popular either. But in the long run, RPG was on the verge of justifying its own deletion (or, at best, merger with fun and games or war room), so we figure trying to find a way to rebuild things is a better alternative.

    That doesn't mean we won't listen ever. We will listen. But we're also going to stay the course on unpopular decision if we feel they're better for the forum in the long run)
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    Sooooo...watch out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Figment View Post
    The activity in these forums was never nowhere near enough to justify the bevy of subforums it had. This was the result of an overly ambitious RPG moderator having zero conception of how to run forums, and little ability to actually bring a project to fruitition before losing interest and moving on to other things.

    1)They made the top-level forum unused. This is one of the worst design mistakes possible. The top-level forum should have been used for either start-up or sign-up.
    2)They introduced needless split. Splitting start-up and sign-up may have been sensible; splitting pokemon and non-pokemon, outside extreme levels of activity (which this forum was never even close to) was an utterly senseless split.
    3)They forced people to shuffle between two separate forum to see active RPs then find out the threads for joining them (for those that still took sign-up. Unnecessary hassle
    4)They encouraged a bureaucratic approach to RPing, with ridiculously over-detailed RP sign-ins forms. This is horrible game design.
    5)It's not immediately obvious to a newcomers to RPG what sign-up and start-up threads are, so needless confusion.

    They were in every possible way a horrible idea. You are not getting them back. Move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Figment View Post
    Asking the RPG forum people for input on whether you'd like your subforums taken away is pretty much akin to asking people if they want their taxes raised. We didn't expect this to be popular with regular users at any point.

    Chiefly because, well, you guys are the ones who are on this forum. If the forum confused you, turned you off, or made you leave, you wouldn't be here to answer. It's obvious you're at least okay and in some cases happy with the current situation. But it's also obvious you're not enough to keep a quality forum going (and, in our evaluation, the problem predates november)

    Many of the other decisions we've settled on as part of trying to turn the RPG forum into something more easily accessed probably won't be entirely popular either. But in the long run, RPG was on the verge of justifying its own deletion (or, at best, merger with fun and games or war room), so we figure trying to find a way to rebuild things is a better alternative.

    That doesn't mean we won't listen ever. We will listen. But we're also going to stay the course on unpopular decision if we feel they're better for the forum in the long run)
    Fair enough. I disagree with your methods, but best of luck all the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octy View Post
    This is also why we encourage using the same thread for Sign-ups and Start-ups, so you don't have that problem.
    Like I've said before, that would be incredibly unorganized.

    Sorry to say it, but the old format worked better. Splitting Start-Ups and Sign-Ups was an incredibly good method in the sense that we could find everything. Now, it's prefix after prefix; which only mitigates the problem for those who know exactly what they're doing. It's counter-intuitive, really.
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    Speaking as an RPer that has been here for over four years, I can say that I honestly don't see what the big problem is. Listen you guys, I can understand where you're coming from you know, it's a different kind of thing and it seems messed up but honestly...I don't see what's so hard, I mean it's like you're just drowning in a glass of water because you're not even trying to accept the change.

    I get that it seems hard and it doesn't make sense but would it kill you to at least try it? really I don't see any problem with the prefixes, they clearly define themselves and that's also why we mentioned the same thread RPs. And no Yun they don't get confusing because at least if they're all in the same thread you just go back to the page that you put your sign up in, it's just one click as opposed to having to switch sections over and over again to refer back to it.

    I'm sorry if it sounds like we're being unfair but just as your entitled to your opinion you also have to try and deal with things, instead of sitting here making theories about what could or couldn't happen try to live with it for a while, if after a while you still have complains and still feel like it's wrong then you can tell us, but only after all the things you mentioned happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yun View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Octy View Post
    This is also why we encourage using the same thread for Sign-ups and Start-ups, so you don't have that problem.
    Like I've said before, that would be incredibly unorganized.

    Sorry to say it, but the old format worked better. Splitting Start-Ups and Sign-Ups was an incredibly good method in the sense that we could find everything. Now, it's prefix after prefix; which only mitigates the problem for those who know exactly what they're doing. It's counter-intuitive, really.
    And yet for years before the divide was implemented, people worked perfectly fine without those subforums. And on other forums before that. And there was nothing counter-intuitive about putting things in the same forum.

    It's not about intuitive or counter-intuitive. It's about habits, and what you've grown used to, and change. Yes, it's going to take time to adjust to, but quite frankly, unless you want to imply that the people of six years ago were better at intuitively understanding single-forum organization, the idea that this organization is counter-intuitive is laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaze View Post
    I'm sorry if it sounds like we're being unfair but just as your entitled to your opinion you also have to try and deal with things, instead of sitting here making theories about what could or couldn't happen try to live with it for a while, if after a while you still have complains and still feel like it's wrong then you can tell us, but only after all the things you mentioned happen.
    So you guys are willingto change it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heroic Sociopath View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fokko View Post
    On the forum index you can sort threads by prefixes (its the dropdown box which says "Prefix:"). That way you do not need to wade through forum pages.
    Yeah, but if the point is to make the forum more accessible to newcomers, would they know to do that?
    Considering nearly every forum here has them its something fairly easily picked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octy View Post
    This is also why we encourage using the same thread for Sign-ups and Start-ups, so you don't have that problem.
    Like I've said before, that would be incredibly unorganized.

    Sorry to say it, but the old format worked better. Splitting Start-Ups and Sign-Ups was an incredibly good method in the sense that we could find everything. Now, it's prefix after prefix; which only mitigates the problem for those who know exactly what they're doing. It's counter-intuitive, really.
    Let's be clever about this: It isn't unorganised if you use the OP well. Why not link to the post which the RP starts in the first post? It's fairly easy to edit and *is* being organised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaze View Post
    I'm sorry if it sounds like we're being unfair but just as your entitled to your opinion you also have to try and deal with things, instead of sitting here making theories about what could or couldn't happen try to live with it for a while, if after a while you still have complains and still feel like it's wrong then you can tell us, but only after all the things you mentioned happen.
    So you guys are willingto change it.
    As Flaze said, that would only be after a good duration has commenced with the new structure in place and the Head of RP will decide what to do.

    I am personally of the opinion that the Head should not have to consider re-changing if users don't make an attempt to try out things with the new changes but that is not my call.

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