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    The newest ZEXAL episode was kinda boring in my opinion. I thought the finale of the Yuma vs. Nasch duel would be more monumental, but the way Nasch lost left a bitter taste in my mouth. I suppose it was dramatic and emotional, but I wasn't completely satisfied.

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    I agree, it could and should have been more emotional. I can see the end of the Duel having a point, but the words exchanged after the Duel were just not enough for my liking.
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    I don't get how the dub's so far behind.

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    I actually really liked the conclusion to Yuma vs. Nasch, including how it ended. The duel moved at a fast pace, which helped to make it engaging despite all the situational cards. It was also really cool to see Black Ray Lancer and Aero Shark again. It felt like ages since they were played. At least Nasch takes advantage of the various Xyz monsters he has, which is a lot more than I can say for Yuma. I understand why he was playing Hope here, especially when they were going for Hope vs. Black Ray Lance to tie into his second duel with Shark, but it does say a lot when the antagonist has more variety in his deck than the protagonist. At least Beyond the Hope looked pretty cool compared to most of the other Hope upgrades.

    The price for the Door was also apparently brought up. From what I've heard, the price was Yuma's sense of identity and he was about to lose it when he almost defeated Nasch. That's why he broke out of the Zexal III form. He realized that he would have used that power to basically kill Nasch, who he still saw as his friend Shark, and that would take away his sense of self. He even questioned if it is worth creating a better future at the cost of your friends. I was expecting something completely different for the Door's price, like losing Astral or all of his friends, but that really caught me off guard. It was surprisingly deep and I liked that they pulled it off pretty effectively.

    As for how Nasch lost, he was going to lose regardless if he took himself out or not. The trap card that he activated that allowed both him and Yuma to draw, Draw, Reset Battle, said that if they didn't use the card during that turn, then they lose. I don't think he played the card, so he was going to lose either way. Honestly, it makes perfect sense that Nasch would defeat himself. Yuma stopped himself from defeating Nasch since he realized that it would kill him and was determined to keep dueling until they could find an answer to help everyone. Nasch, on the other hand, wanted a more clear victory for an answer, rather than than constantly fighting. He was also dueling for the Barian World, as opposed to Yuma who was dueling to find a way to make everyone happy. The fact that he kept the overlay units for that Barain, King of Wishes Xyz at the cost of his life points in the previous episode showed how determined he was to fight only for them and the other souls in the Barian World, even though it was kind of strange that he included Vector. Sure, Don Thousand influenced him the most out of all of the other Barians, but it was still kind of strange after all he did. Speaking of Don Thousand, his claim that his memories weren't altered and that he chose to become a Barian were apparently true since that didn't come up again during the duel. It would have been nice to get a flashback as to how that happened exactly if that really was the case, but it still shows how determined he was to fight for that world and that world only. If he couldn't do that, then taking himself out in the duel would be the next option, especially if Yuma wouldn't do it.

    Besides all that, it kind of ties back to the end of his duel with IV. I thought that they kind of hinted at Nasch basically killing himself after everything was said and done with both IV's dialogue and what Nasch thought to himself afterwards. Given all of the emotional trauma he went through in reliving his memories, remembering all of these other people in his past lives that were important to him and he felt at least partially responsible for their deaths, realizing his whole life as Shark had basically been a lie, throwing away his humanity and dealing with fighting off his friends, it's not too surprising that he would consider doing something like that after the conflict was settled. Despite his claims that he threw away everything that came with his humanity, he clearly still cared about his friends, so just fighting them probably tore him up inside. His last few words to Yuma were pretty sad. I'm sure that he'll be revived with the other Barians, as well as Kaito, sometime after Yuma vs. Astral, but it was still a pretty sad note to leave the episode with.

    While I still feel that the special ending montages are overused, this one didn't bother me as much since they gave Nasch a lot of good focus so that his death had emotional weight to it. Plus, he's my favorite character and the best one in Zexal in my opinion, so I was going to feel sad for his death anyway. This was probably one of the best episodes in the series for me.

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    Took me a long time but I've actually caught up to where the dub is (well I'm one episode behind but it's a 2 parter and I'd rather watch the 2 parter than wait for the second part to come up). The dub is on episode 99 and there's 146 (well there will be) so I guess it'll be a while before they're done and move on... unless they do a GX and skip the last 50 or so episodes.

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    The dub is onto Vector's ruins now and oh boy am I worried bout how they might censor Vector's ruins a bit too much.

    Anyway anyone notice how the last few ZEXAL episodes parallel the original series manga more then it parallels the anime? I men think about it

    Vector Don Thousand's biggest tool is defeated before Don Thousand's full revival just like Thief Bakura being defeated before Zorc could fully be revived then Yuma and Nasch defeating Don Thousand is similar to Atem and friends defeating Zorc due to how Donny is basically ZEXAL's equivalent to Zorc and how both lost before the main characters had to face their toughest rival. Yuma VS Nasch is similar to Atem VS Priest Seto because of how it is the true finale to their conflict against evil with the rival being defeated after the power of friendship gets through to them and snaps them out of their previous influences/beliefs. Then I don't think I have to go into detail about Yuma VS Astral paralleling Yugi VS Atem.

    This weeks episode was good. Takahiro Kagami animated it and made it such a delight to see and Astral really did become a major badass which is expected due to being at full power. I think he may very well be more powerful then both Nasch and ZEXAL III. I'm gonna enjoy seeing how Yuma defeats him. I think he might pull out a ultimate Syllabe monster similar to Yugi's Gandora Dragon of Destruction.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muur View Post
    Took me a long time but I've actually caught up to where the dub is (well I'm one episode behind but it's a 2 parter and I'd rather watch the 2 parter than wait for the second part to come up). The dub is on episode 99 and there's 146 (well there will be) so I guess it'll be a while before they're done and move on... unless they do a GX and skip the last 50 or so episodes.
    The official Yu-Gi-Oh! site said that Zexal will have a complete dub a few weeks ago, so they aren't going to leave it incomplete like 4Kids did with GX and 5D's. The main reason those dubs were unfinished were due to 4Kids' poor financial conditions over the years, especially during 5D's when they were going through bankruptcy and dealing with the legal issues over the Yu-Gi-Oh! license. Even though they already announced Arc-V on their website and said that it would be released this year, a recent interview with Konami said that they weren't sure about when an English release would be available. They have plans to wait another year to air it, which would be a shame, if only because of the large gap that would result from going that route. They could still hopefully start the dub this year like originally planned.

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    The dub is onto Vector's ruins now and oh boy am I worried bout how they might censor Vector's ruins a bit too much.
    Well, they already danced around the issue of how Durbe and his Pegasus were killed by saying that they kept fighting together forever, or something like that, so I imagine that we'll have something event stranger for Vector's ruins. Pretty much all of the legends need to be altered since they're about how the Barians died as humans. I'm curious as to how they'll handle Shark and Rio's parents being killed and the fact that they were also killed only for Nasch and Merag to take over their bodies.

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    Anyway anyone notice how the last few ZEXAL episodes parallel the original series manga more then it parallels the anime? I men think about it

    Vector Don Thousand's biggest tool is defeated before Don Thousand's full revival just like Thief Bakura being defeated before Zorc could fully be revived then Yuma and Nasch defeating Don Thousand is similar to Atem and friends defeating Zorc due to how Donny is basically ZEXAL's equivalent to Zorc and how both lost before the main characters had to face their toughest rival. Yuma VS Nasch is similar to Atem VS Priest Seto because of how it is the true finale to their conflict against evil with the rival being defeated after the power of friendship gets through to them and snaps them out of their previous influences/beliefs. Then I don't think I have to go into detail about Yuma VS Astral paralleling Yugi VS Atem.
    There have been parallels between the two series for quite some time now and pretty much everyone expected Yuma vs. Astral to happen before the series began.

    As for this week's episode, I thought it was okay. I was confused about Tron disappearing at the beginning though. Did he die? He wasn't with his sons while they were watching the duel and he said farewell to Yuma's father, so it was kind of unclear. Although, I'm still wondering what Yuma's mother is doing in the Astral World and how the heck she got there in the first place and that's even more unclear. Everyone aside from the Barians and Kaito being revived would be a lot nicer if I cared for even half of them. Besides Gauche, IV and III, I couldn't care less about the characters that were revived. I also didn't understand why Anna and Fuya were included in watching the duel. I'm pretty sure that neither one of them even knew about Astral, let alone the whole conflict with the Barian World, so including them as cheerleaders seemed really strange to me. They might be able to see him after being exposed to Barian energy like what happened with other characters, but it seemed so weird to throw them into these episodes when I think every other character has been aware of Astral's presence much longer than either of them. Even the Numbers Club members, most of which are also full of unnecessary characters, knew about Astral before this episode. It doesn't help that both of them feel like over-glorified one shot characters, both are pretty unnecessary in the grand scheme of things and Anna is especially unlikable, but at least they won't get much focus during these last couple of episodes.

    I have a feeling that Astral doesn't really plan on destroying the Barian World like he initially said to Yuma. I can't really see him being in favor of going through with that plan after what they just went through with Nasch, especially when he was apparently fine with fighting forever with Yuma until they could find an answer. Plus, he has the Numeron Code now. He could just restore the Astral World so that it wouldn't disappear once it and the Barian Worlds merged together. Then he can bring back all of the Barians and Kaito. They did discuss briefly before starting the duel with Nasch if they should use it in that way, but it sounded more like reversing everything as if it never happened rather than just restoring everything and everyone. At the very least, there's probably another reason for it, like maybe it's the only way to completely get rid of Don Thousand.

    The duel itself was okay. Although, it was kind of funny how Astral claimed that he was unbeatable with all one hundred Numbers only to proceed spamming Hope throughout the duel. That really shows how Zexal has used the Number concept. They have access to so many cards, but play nothing but Hope and the one time he used a different Number, it was to summon Hope again. I understand that it's the marketable ace monster and bringing out five Hope monsters showed how serious Astral was right off the bat to create more tension, but it just got really boring to see him spam Hope really fast. Hopefully, the duel will get more interesting within the next couple of episodes.

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    Are you guys watching the raw? Or are there subs floating around? I'm still stuck at 137.

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    Sorry for the double post, but I wanted to comment on the series finale. I'll put it in spoiler tags in case anyone hasn't seen it yet.



    In regards to the series as a whole, I think it was okay. It still isn't my favorite series and despite the improvements it made in the last two arcs, I think that it's still my least favorite of the four completed Yu-Gi-Oh! series. Even so, I can understand why other people would consider it their favorite because it does have strengths, there were some good characters, it had the most solid storyline structure out of all of the spin-off series thus far and it did improve as it progressed. Zexal I was really shaky for me with really terrible pacing and writing for most of the characters. I don't know if I'd feel differently watching that part of the series now, but that was a pretty heavily flawed aspect of the series for me. Zexal II was a pretty solid improvement. The pacing for the first arc of the second season was a bit off, but once Vector showed up, the storyline got a lot more interesting. The Legendary Number arc was my favorite arc for its good pacing and most of the subplots were good as well, especially Shark and Yuma's subplots. While the pacing was a bit too fast in this arc for my tastes, most of the deaths lacked emotional weight to them and Don Thousand was a boring villain in my opinion, it did have some good moments and the last two duels, especially against Nasch, were good notes to go out on.

    Honestly, if the series had better pacing, better writing, especially for the first season, a few more interesting characters that had depth, which is probably why most of the cast as it was didn't appeal to me, cut out the unnecessary characters, didn't include Kotori in every episode for no good reason, had better writing for the duels and was basically more like the last two arcs have been for me, I would have enjoyed Zexal a lot more than I did. I'm not sure if it would have become my favorite series since in spite of the problems the later arcs had, I still enjoyed 5D's. I think it could have given GX a run for its money though. A part of me now wants to buy the Zexal manga after being that satisfied with the finale. I have heard better things about the later chapters, so I'll probably do that eventually.

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