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    Swirly Eyes when the characters are befuddled, out cold or whatnot.

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    ^Are you listing that as best or worst?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stickerstaryoshi View Post
    ^Are you listing that as best or worst?
    I'd say it's a bit of both. Sometimes it could, other times it gets old.

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    as a boxing manga fan, I think the whole "guts" thing, esp in HNI and the way stuff drags on or how mechanics get tossed out the window after being important early on in the story. There's a specific fight, scratch j vs ippo where he tries something like a running straight right, and it just irks me

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    I'm a sucker for Tragic Hero's but not the one's who try really hard to be bad a**, but the one's who are trying to beat the odds and never give up.

    I can't stand the Mo'e archetype, (The cutesy character who's only there because of their cute looks, and to fan service...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiki View Post
    I'm a sucker for Tragic Hero's but not the one's who try really hard to be bad a**, but the one's who are trying to beat the odds and never give up.

    I can't stand the Mo'e archetype, (The cutesy character who's only there because of their cute looks, and to fan service...)
    It'd be cool if the main character was a Tragic Moe hero. If done right (as in she's not there for mere cheesecake)...

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    I hate the overuse of catty, obnoxious girls in shonen anime (and yaoi if it features girls at all). Naruto and Pokemon are big offenders. There are some exceptions, like Yu Yu Hakusho - Keiko and Botan, the main girls, are both very sweet. I don't mind a catty girl if she's supposed to be a villain or at least an anti-hero, but the girls I'm talking about are usually straight-up heroes. This makes girls not want to watch the show. At least Pokemon has lots of non-bitchy girls (Nurse Joy, Officer Jenny, Cynthia, the majority of female Gym Leaders). But almost every girl on Naruto is a bitch - regardless if she's a hero or a villain.

    I also hate when Japanese shows portray all Americans (or worse, all whites PERIOD) as blond. I'm white and I am most definitely not blond. Hetalia is the biggest offender, as every European character is blond, with practically no brunettes or redheads. In some European countries, there are actually very few blonds. Go almost anywhere in Spain or Greece and like 90 percent of the people will be dark-haired. Heck, even some Middle Eastern countries have higher rates of blond hair than those. Italy I can kinda understand since the Axis Italian government was dominated by Northern Italians (in fact, Italy was usually dominated by Northern Italians since unification. Not surprising since in Mussolini's time, Northern Italy was modern and relatively high-tech while Southern Italy was pretty rustic.), who are more likely to be blond than Southern Italians. But still, blonds in Italy are rarely more than 10 percent of the population. And despite what Japanese and American media both potray, most white Californians are NOT blond. I guess they're judging by our celebrities. But very few American male actors are blond (and the blond ones usually play villains). I think anime creators should watch real American TV, not Baywatch or The OC, if they want inspiration. (Still, there are even more blond anime characters who are clearly Japanese. No one would call Sailor Moon or Naruto Americans!) But then again, maybe it serves us right for depicting Japanese people with buck teeth, all Japanese women being geisha, and all Japanese men being either martial artists or businessmen.

    There are some other cliches that are overdone, but many of these are prevalent in non-Japanese media too.

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    "I just want to be loved" as the modus operandi behind an Anti-Villain as a "worst trope."

    I wish more writers knew how to make villains sympathetic and rounded without necessarily making them nice.

    @Feanor; Well, if they have Americans/Europeans in a cast with Japanese or other Asian characters, how else are they going to make the white people identifiably white? It's not like East Asian characters in anime usually have what we would consider stereotypical East Asian features.

    I guess if Western media weren't just as if not more stereotypical whenever they show people of color, I would be more bothered by stereotypical portrayals of Americans and Europeans in anime. Right now I have trouble caring, though. It's similar to when they mess up important details about Christianity, like nuns not being the same thing as mikos. Western media always screws up Eastern religions, usually even worse, so it evens out.
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    The whole "friendship is everything" nonsense that most shonen anime feel the need to shove down the throats of the audience is pretty obnoxious. Most of the damn shows that do this don't even show me why in the hell their main characters are even friends.

    The formula for these shonen anime that gets churned out these always same thing. Obnoxious super nice guy meets with a bunch of jackasses who hate him because the writers said so, then the nice guy says some cliched dialogue about how friends help each other, and then everyone else is suddenly all buddy-buddy even though they have absolutely no reason to be. And then they're back to being jackasses the next episode because the writers didn't think of an actual personality for them beside the one scene where they become friends.

    It wouldn't be a problem if most of the writers out there made an actual effort to show and develop why the characters they shoved together are even friends in the first place. Most anime writers just slap a bunch of people with zero chemistry together and expect the audience to deal with it. There's no point in having random people constantly sperg about how friendship is great if those people have no reason to be "friends" in the first place.

    The token moe and/or tsundere archetype is also rather annoying, but at least an actual personality, even if it's one that oversaturates the industry to an intolerable extent. The entire anime industry has gotten stale with the same old cliches being repeated, honestly. If it's cliched, then it's already bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsurugi View Post
    The whole "friendship is everything" nonsense that most shonen anime feel the need to shove down the throats of the audience is pretty obnoxious. Most of the damn shows that do this don't even show me why in the hell their main characters are even friends.

    The formula for these shonen anime that gets churned out these always same thing. Obnoxious super nice guy meets with a bunch of jackasses who hate him because the writers said so, then the nice guy says some cliched dialogue about how friends help each other, and then everyone else is suddenly all buddy-buddy even though they have absolutely no reason to be. And then they're back to being jackasses the next episode because the writers didn't think of an actual personality for them beside the one scene where they become friends.

    It wouldn't be a problem if most of the writers out there made an actual effort to show and develop why the characters they shoved together are even friends in the first place. Most anime writers just slap a bunch of people with zero chemistry together and expect the audience to deal with it. There's no point in having random people constantly sperg about how friendship is great if those people have no reason to be "friends" in the first place.
    I agree but there are shows that do it better than you'd expect (less bad at least). At least, Yugi and Kaiba didn't become instant BFFs (and that show's really full on friendship).

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    Most anime writers just slap a bunch of people with zero chemistry together and expect the audience to deal with it.
    I don't know if "chemistry" is a thing when it comes to animated characters. That's more of an issue with live-action actors, people who just look unnatural together. But if animated characters have "no chemistry" that's the fault of the writers and the animators for making them awkward together, it's not like it's a casting screw-up. You can still miscast people in anime, of course, but if people are just lending their voices I don't know how much "chemistry" is a factor.
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    Well, all shonen anime overestimate friendship, Heart of the Cards, or anything like that. Plus, the adults are useless because the kids are the heroes of the show. Of course, another evident trope is the Anime Hair. Come on, it's ANIME Hair. It is natural. Initially, it's fun. After a while, it's just indifferent. Definitely not negative. Bitchy women are out there because they aren't lots of different personalities shonen writers can use, basically because adults aren't an important part, and most kids have similar traits. AKA, some people should get something different.

    Let's accept the anime for what it is. No need to rant that long about it.

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    But if animated characters have "no chemistry" that's the fault of the writers and the animators for making them awkward together, it's not like it's a casting screw-up.
    Yeah. That's what I was trying to say there. Bunch of characters who aren't written or animated like they would interact on a day to day basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsurugi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Roy Mustang View Post
    But if animated characters have "no chemistry" that's the fault of the writers and the animators for making them awkward together, it's not like it's a casting screw-up.
    Yeah. That's what I was trying to say there. Bunch of characters who aren't written or animated like they would interact on a day to day basis.
    I still think it's weird to call that "chemistry" though. Chemistry implies something on the part of the actors.

    Like where they look so unnatural together, it doesn't matter how good the writing is, they just won't work.

    That doesn't really make sense in anime, though, since actors are only using their voices and at least 90% of chemistry is body language. So you can easily have animators work around that if two voice actors don't have good "chemistry" together.

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