Thread: URPG Tiering system

Originally Posted by pman

What exactly does the Evo stone do?

Not fully evolved 'mons have defense/sp. defense+1.

okay, that'd be scary on a scyther

Originally Posted by pman

okay, that'd be scary on a scyther

Yeah, now 4x super effective Stone Edge won't even dent it!

Originally Posted by Stinky

Yeah, now 4x super effective Stone Edge won't even dent it!

It's the "Pokemon have counters!" argument again.

Originally Posted by Monbrey

It's the "Pokemon have counters!" argument again.

I thought it was more of the "fragile pokemon with glaring weaknesses are not scary with defenses +1."

You might be right though

P2/Dusclops are terrific users of the evolution stone.

Other than that, I don't think it will make all that big of a difference in the URPG, and I don't think it is at all worth banning. Seriously, just do some calculations with it. Not a huge difference maker, in most cases.

I went ahead and made this quick list of Pokemon I think are for sure 'tier 1'.

Aerodactyl
Alakazam
Crobat
Dragonite
Gengar
Gliscor
Infernape
Jolteon
Machamp
Metagross
Porygon-Z
Salamence
Sceptile
Scizor
Starmie
Togekiss
Tyranitar

And then here are some Pokemon I think people would argue for 'tier 1', some maybe by myself:

Ambipom
Breloom
Charizard
Dusknoir
Electrode
Garchomp
Gyarados
Kingdra
Rhyperior
Roserade
Smeargle
Snorlax
Swampert
Weavile
Wobbuffet
Yanmega

I'd say Garchomp, Rhyperior and Kingdra are OU. The list looks good.

I've never seen anyone use smeargle but it has potential for OU, subseed, give it some boosts and sweep could work.

Or Swords Dance, technician, Expert belt priority attacks.

the only wall to kingdra is still empoleon.

Someone wanna teach me to use a swampy?

Tough call to make, based on the fact that OU literally means "Over Used". While something like Aerodactyl or Porygon-Z is definitely good enough, there aren't enough of them to fit the definition. Elite's such as yourself Pidge might all have them, but the majority of the userbase doesnt. However, I fully admit that if we take the term literally then it obviously breaks the whole point of tiering which is to split up Pokemon that, in theory, can't fairly face each other. Unlike Smogon/PO battling, we don't have access to everything we would otherwise use. I agree with your list on the whole, simply suggesting we should perhaphs have our own names for the tiers that actually reflect what they are: basically something along the lines of Awesome/Good/OK/Crap/WTFAREYOUTHINKING?

Take one look at any FFA and I think we can put those damn Kingdras in OU. Probably Garchomp and Swampert too. Maybe I'm a little biased by my position defending Fire, but I see those three come up a lot, despite Swampert continually taking Solarbeams to the face. I'd love to argue in Charizard's favour, but its a tricky Pokemon to use with nearly everything carrying Stone Edge. But if it manages to set up, have fun trying to take it down without a Tyranitar or similar.

Also suggesting Ambipom, always been a pretty reliable lead for me.

Originally Posted by Synthesis

I'd say Garchomp, Rhyperior and Kingdra are OU. The list looks good.

thanks

The weird thing about Garchomp is... It only gets two unique (not Substitute, Protect, etc.) non-attacking move: Swords Dance and Roar. If you look at the other Pokemon up there, they all can do a bunch of different crap, but the most unpredictable thing you'll get from Garchomp is Sand Veil working. I'm not sure whether predictability matters or not. Garchomp is straightforward, but it still can wreck things.

Rhyperior is pretty similar to Garchomp, but add that is has a worse typing, a decent ability to make up for its bad typing a little, a worse speed, and Rock Polish to help get rid of that speed.

Originally Posted by pman

I've never seen anyone use smeargle but it has potential for OU, subseed, give it some boosts and sweep could work.

Or Swords Dance, technician, Expert belt priority attacks.

the only wall to kingdra is still empoleon.

Someone wanna teach me to use a swampy?

Smeargle's main strength is using Spore on something slower and then use a boosting move like Dragon Dance or Belly Drum and Baton Pass away to something that will wreck the other team. It can use moves like Taunt to stop anything that might try to Roar you away, and Encore against faster Pokemon who think it's a good opportunity to set up. That's the good side of it. The bad side is that it's really frail and can be easily 2HKO'd, if not OHKO. It's Taunt bait and can be set up on. It's not a Pokemon that is really going to get any KO's, but supports others. Being all these things, it's very possible for it to be a liability on your team, using up one of your 6 slots, especially if your opponent is using a lot of fast Pokemon. Smeargle is kind of hit or miss.

And I think Kingdra is pretty good. What bothers me is that it only has like 4 attacking types: Water, Dragon, Ice, and Hidden Power. Signal Beam doesn't really count since STAB Surf does more than SE Signal Beam... Unless it's like against Exeggutor... Dragon Dance, Yawn, and good typing are what it makes it pretty effective.

Swampert is a jerk to a bunch of Pokemon: Aerodactyl, Dragonite, Garchomp, Gliscor, Jolteon, Rhyperior, Salamence, Scizor, Tyranitar, Weavile. It can switch in on most of those Pokemon without worrying about much damage usually and Roar away their set up or hit them super effective. Access to Yawn and Stealth Rock just make it even more useful. However, it's slow, and that means you can't expect it to really sweep or doing much besides keeping certain Pokemon in line.

Originally Posted by Monbrey

Tough call to make, based on the fact that OU literally means "Over Used". While something like Aerodactyl or Porygon-Z is definitely good enough, there aren't enough of them to fit the definition. Elite's such as yourself Pidge might all have them, but the majority of the userbase doesnt. However, I fully admit that if we take the term literally then it obviously breaks the whole point of tiering which is to split up Pokemon that, in theory, can't fairly face each other. Unlike Smogon/PO battling, we don't have access to everything we would otherwise use. I agree with your list on the whole, simply suggesting we should perhaphs have our own names for the tiers that actually reflect what they are: basically something along the lines of Awesome/Good/OK/Crap/WTFAREYOUTHINKING?

Take one look at any FFA and I think we can put those damn Kingdras in OU. Probably Garchomp and Swampert too. Maybe I'm a little biased by my position defending Fire, but I see those three come up a lot, despite Swampert continually taking Solarbeams to the face. I'd love to argue in Charizard's favour, but its a tricky Pokemon to use with nearly everything carrying Stone Edge. But if it manages to set up, have fun trying to take it down without a Tyranitar or similar.

Also suggesting Ambipom, always been a pretty reliable lead for me.

Yeah, I was actually thinking calling it 'overused' would probably be a misnomer. Going with tier 1, 2, 3, etc. might be more appropriate.

I haven't used Charizard, except once or twice in my gym I think (I just finished TM-ing it sort of recently). I imagine in a normal battle, it would come up short easily due to Stealth Rock and it can only set up safely against a few Pokemon, like Metagross and Scizor (and Roserade). However, it has a giant ass movepool for attacking with, three ways to boosts its attack according to the situation (Dragon Dance, Swords Dance, Belly Drum), and 'tech' moves like Roost, Will-o-wisp, and Roar.

I put Ambipom there. I'm tired of editing this, so for now I'll just say Ambipom is annoyingly good.

No Electrode love?

Originally Posted by Ketamine

No Electrode love?

How could I forget Electrode?

Rapidash is the darkhorse of the list.

I think Rotom-O could be added as like a second tier

maybe Ludicolo, Slowbro, Lucario, Gallade?