Thread: URPG Issues

So, it's been mentioned several times that there exist issues in the URPG that should be fixed, issues that are important enough that others feel they should be seen to before we make any further expansion efforts. However, despite the fact that I and other staff have asked for examples of things that need to be addressed, even if they're just minor things, no one has provided us with things that need to be resolved.

I decided that, in an effort to work more closely with the community, I would create a thread where people can post any concerns with the URPG so that we, the staff, can do whatever possible to either fix the issue or, at the very least, address it. People can also post their own ideas for fixing any issues posted.

The point of this thread is so people have a place to post things they think are "broken" about the URPG, not suggest new ideas, bans, or things like that. Please make a separate thread in the Trainer's Court for those types of things. If you think something is "wrong" with anything in the URPG, this is where you'd want to post it. Is the Park too restrictive in the number of Pokemon you can leave with? Do battles pay too little? What issues exist that you feel are major ones that cannot be overlooked? If you don't know whether an issue belongs here or in its own thread, post here it and if need be, someone can inform you to make a separate thread for it.

Keep in mind this thread is for serious posts and discussion only. Flames, trolling, and the like will promptly be deleted. Please also keep posts relevant; it's okay to bring up a completely different topic than the one being discussed, but no posts consisting solely of images, GIFs, or single periods. Also don't post simple things like "yeah I agree lol". If you agree with something someone has said, expand on it. The same is true if you disagree with someone; don't post "that's dumb lulz" and leave it at that. Such posts will be treated as SPAM and deleted.

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Issues Being Discussed:
-More Payout for B/W Contests

Issues Resolved:
n/a

I think the pay for judges for B/W Contests should be higher.

Currently, they get the same pay as refs, being payed 500 per Pokemon. B/W judges need to do everything a ref does as well as a lot more, such as calculate points, hearts and they need to contstantly check the thread for move information. I think it should be 750 for every Pokemon used per side. For example a 4v4 would be 3,000 rather than 2,000

I can see how that makes sense, seeing as you have to be both a ref and a Judge to ref B/W battles. I can't help but feel refs who do regular battles might feel a bit cheated, but then again like you said, they don't need to keep track of hearts, points, and so on. Then again, one might argue that having to keep track of points and hearts doesn't warrant a 250 boost per Pokemon used, even though really it's not a broken amount or anything.

Blah, I'll poke ATF to come post what he thinks lol.

Originally Posted by Dog of Hellsing

I can see how that makes sense, seeing as you have to be both a ref and a Judge to ref B/W battles. I can't help but feel refs who do regular battles might feel a bit cheated, but then again like you said, they don't need to keep track of hearts, points, and so on. Then again, one might argue that having to keep track of points and hearts doesn't warrant a 250 boost per Pokemon used, even though really it's not a broken amount or anything.

Blah, I'll poke ATF to come post what he thinks lol.

Most battles are 3v3/4v4. All that is is a 0.75k/1k boost. Only 1.5k more for a 6v6, the highest standard amount. That barely gets you anything, and for the amount of time it takes, I don't think it'd be breaking anything to just give a little more for taking the time to learn to judge AND ref.

I haven't quite come up with an opinion on this thing yet, I've thought about it but have never gone either way. So I'm impartial, you guys can discuss it and I'll just follow along and ultimately come up with an opinion at a later time.

I don't think a pay increase for BW judges would cause too much problems. Might encourage more judging. Then again, I may be leaving something out so correct me if I didn't see it.

In my opinion, I don't think it really needs a pay increase. All it really is is reffing and then looking up to see how many points are added to the total. While 250 per mon isn't too much to add, I don't think looking up a number is really worth that much. It's not much harder than reffing, and that just seems to be the big barrier for a lot of judges.

And it might not cause many problems, but there is potential for it. 4v4s in BW Contests already give better rewards than a regular battle, in terms of money, ribbons, and cc. I don't foresee everyone abandoning battles to do contests (oh boy, that would be puzzling), but I can see where some of the other refs might have issue with it, since that's the bulk of the work.

Edit: Not to mention that Judges get paid right away, which is a perk of the job (also they can be paid in CC), instead of having to wait for wages like the rest. Others could also have issue with that.

I don't really see a problem with a slight increase. You're effectively using two different professions when you judge/ref a BW Contest. I like Syn's payment idea, just an extra 250 per mon. It doesn't go overboard and it isn't too little. Also, this could encourage more people to become judges. If things are getting more serious in contests with the new style and the new gyms, we'll need more people judging them.

Originally Posted by WinterVines

In my opinion, I don't think it really needs a pay increase. All it really is is reffing and then looking up to see how many points are added to the total. While 250 per mon isn't too much to add, I don't think looking up a number is really worth that much. It's not much harder than reffing, and that just seems to be the big barrier for a lot of judges.

True, but it still requires them to know reffing stuff and judging stuff, which is more than a ref has to do.


Edit: Not to mention that Judges get paid right away, which is a perk of the job (also they can be paid in CC), instead of having to wait for wages like the rest. Others could also have issue with that.

Getting paid right away may seem like a perk to you, but doesn't seem that way to me. I'd prefer to get paid in bulk every two weeks rather than after I finish reffing something. Also, they get paid like that because not much judging is done so wages wouldn't be that much. We can't do that with reffing because it is done more commonly and needs to be monitored. Besides, everyone is getting paid so if they complain about that then suck it.

I think they should get a small raise.

Reward them for doing them more often rather than for each contest.

LS's idea isn't bad - offer bonuses for contesting more. Unfortunately, that'll probably mean that ATF has to keep a closer eye on what's going on, but w/e. The central theme is YES FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PAY JUDGES BETTER

I was thinking about this last night, and perhaps an alternative to money, instead of making it 750 per mon (since that's an icky number), you could offer CC along with money (which all can be converted to CC/Money as usual when Judges collect), since I don't think they get both, because they can choose how to be paid. You could do like 3v3-4v4 gets +500CC added onto wages and 5v5-6v6 is +1000CC or something.

Edit: I do like LS's idea too, because that stimulates more total action in the section so Judges judge more for better rewards instead of less for the same rewards.

Perhaps after so many BW Contests judged, they earn a ribbon themselves? Maybe for every 10 battles or something, since that's a non-money reward, but still has value (due to the mons in the berry store requiring ribbons and such).

I'm all for paying them more per contest. Maybe they'll do more :D

Actually, LS's incentive idea would be an excellent addition to Reffing and Judging. Something like the ref earns 500 x (number of battles reffed / 10) extra.

Originally Posted by We Taste Pies...

Actually, LS's incentive idea would be an excellent addition to Reffing and Judging. Something like the ref earns 500 x (number of battles reffed / 10) extra.

Or maybe, so we don't have random $150's lying around, for every 10 (non basics) you do, you get an extra 500 or 1000.