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Anyway, what I think time after time you fail to understand is that there really isn't much going on in the staff boards. I would really appreciate if you would stop attacking us with this issue, because I'm a mod, I know better, quit bitching. I know better because I know what the contents of the staff boards are and you do not. What you fail to see is the staff's point of view in this argument. You have repeatedly played the victim, while you fail to give any good reason why this is a "problem". If you would like to be taken more seriously, perhaps gather some kind of support among other members, then talk to us, instead of posting an inflammatory statement about how you assume we're going to pass this off as nonsense without reading it. We are certainly going to read it first before we realize its nonsense ;-)
EDIT: I would apologize for my slightly rude rhetoric, but this:
If all you are going to say is something along the lines of "I'm a mod, I know better, quit bitching", kindly gtfo.
Made it quite clear that you did not want an entirely civil discussion, and so, you shall not be granted one.
You just proved his statement true. He made a thread in Trainer's Court to bring up an issue, following protocol. What do you, a mod, do in response? Tell him that this is stupid and that you don't take him seriously.
This isn't the first time he has brought this up. What I continue to fail to see each time he brings it up is the problem here. His main argument is that the URPG as a whole had no input whatsoever. Although I personally don't agree with that, I could understand how he might feel that way IF he had an exmaple of where the staff did/released something he had a serious problem with. He has mentioned the TE incident in the General Chat thread, while at the same time, admitting to not reading the thread about his ban beforehand. His other complaint was the staff's denial of TPW which, as Chainy already mentioned, we are not actually aware of happening and has yet to have been documented.
Essentially, and I believe I speak for the whole staff when I say this, I am a bit annoyed that he is constantly rallying against myself and the staff, accusing of us keeping things from the URPG, when he has no basis for this argument. I'm also annoyed how he claims to not be the only one bothered by this supposed, "problem", but I have yet to see anyone other than yourself, who is inactive, to post in his support. I'd hardly call two people public outcry. In addition, I'm downright pissed off that he has the nerve to put that statement in his first post, as if we our heads are so far up our asses that we would respond with an argument as simple and backwards as "We are the staff, so stfu."
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Putting aside my rage for a moment, I'd also like to point out that, even before the creation of this thread, no staff member opposed keeping the URPG more informed. Some of us didn't see the point of a weekly update thread though. There is not nearly enough going on to justify an entire thread for staff updates. We could just occasionally post a message here or there in the General Chat thread.
Oh, sorry, I posted in my first post that I 'missed the drama'. That must mean that I never read the thread, and will never read the thread from that point onwards. Logic used at its best right there.
Maybe you should have read it before posting opinions about it.
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I never said I hadn't read the thread. I have read the thread, I'll have you know. I just feel that since leaking from the staff boards is not an offence (which you have undeniably proved by not punishing Haze), I question what the huge thing was with trying to find the culprit in the first place. Yes, ok, TE was uncooperative and rude, and should have some form of punishment, but since what he was hiding wasn't actually punishable by URPG rules, it just leaves a lot to be questioned. But, this isn't what this thread is about, so I would rather it not be brought up here.
There is a difference between asking members opinions on things the staff is considering and c/ping things straight from the staff boards. The staff boards security HAD BEEN BREACHED by TE. Not to mention, when Haze supposedly "leaked", I doubt it caused an uproar such as this. His correspondents probably didn't go around telling everybody.
My problem? Okay. Let's get hypothetical. Imagine the leaks had never happened, and you'd announced the expansion with all the grandeur that you had anticipated, announcing that TPW had accepted us, and we were all set to expand, we just needed to get a few things straight. Now, imagine you were met with uproar and anger from everyone, because they didn't want to go to TPW, or because feelings had changed about an expansion since the previous thread. You have two options:
1. Continue with the expansion (not a good idea)
2. Cancel the expansion and have to tell TPW that the URPG members did not feel their forum was appropriate. (Because that doesn't make us look like elitist jerks, and doesn't make TPW look stupid by having to backtrack and retract something from their round-up thread.)
So, in one short sentence, my problem is that the expansion information was held from us for such a time, that by the time it was announced, turning back would be detrimental if it all blew up in your face.
We asked people. You weren't one of them.
About that statement, it was due to
this post that I said it. Y'know, the one where Stinky's head is so far up his ass that he responded with an argument as simple and backwards as "We are the staff, so stfu". Believe it or not, I'm not some brat who blurts out accusations and assumes all the staff are against me. I'm just under the impression that if I was to act that way to mod, I'd most likely be punished (similar to TE, perhaps?). Yet, when Stinky acts that way to me, the tables are turned.
Stinky hasn't been staff for about a year. In addition, TE was banned not just for leaking information, but refusing to reveal his source and saying that he would continue to leak information, regardless of the fact that we told him not to.
I also pointed out in
this post senior members who shared my opinion, including Pidge himself. Also, T_T said that in retrospect, being a little more out about it wouldn't have hurt, and Ataro, in the very post above yours, says he feels it should've been at least mentioned.
At no point have I said that you're entirely wrong. What you continue to fail to understand is that
A. There is barely anything to share
B. A thread would be a waste
What bothers me is your venomous rhetoric in the first post.
The whole "no basis for saying we're hiding things" - Monbrey's post implies that TE is wrong about the expansion. Yes, ok, I thought it was more than it was when I first made this thread, and on looking back, realised my error, but the fact still stands that Chainy's claiming "You can talk to mods", yet it seems more like "You can talk to mods, but don't expect a reply". Seriously, the question I have repeatedly asked is
how would mentioning (key word right there - NOT explaining/detailing/announcing) the expansion have been detrimental to its progress?. That's the main question I would like you to answer, if nothing else.
Next time you have a question, feel free to ask me before you slam the staff.
Also, to the people complaining about this topic popping up - that's the reason I took it out of URPG Chat and into the Trainer's Court. No-one's forcing you to read it. If you don't want to, don't.
But if we didn't read it, then this entire thread would serve no purpose because it is entirely about the staff.
