Thread: Basic Battles Being Reffed

I am probably the person receiving the most ref test requests and denying them. This is probably because I'm on AIM a lot, but hardly am ever able to do tests or ref, because I'm usually doing homework.

I don't think the pay is the problem for basic battles. They are the easiest battles to ref and give out a decent amount for almost nothing too intensive. Maybe how boring they are, or having to post over and over, or writing logs are the problem.

For me, it does not really matter what kind of battle it is, but if I am able to do it at all.

Originally Posted by Monbrey

2HKO's are just as easy and still pay. Hell, if people just use the same two moves, I dont even have to calc, I can just copy and paste the stats 7 times.

I don't see how certain OHKO battles do not pay anything, when you can just do stuff like that. ~_~

basic battles, if the people don't mess around stalling and stuff, can produce the ref with say the same amount of money as a 4v4 in like half the time, or less.

I don't think there is any need for an incentive for refs to ref basics, for the following reasons:
1: They get paid a lot.
2: They're a ref, so they should ref basics.
3: Refs should ref battles whatever the battle, as it is basically the point of their "job", which they also get paid a lot for (which ties in with 1.)

Originally Posted by Stinky

If you guys want a ref test just PM me and set up a date and a time. I'll gladly ref test you then, assuming that you actually show up on time

I'MMA MAN OF MY WORD.

Originally Posted by Haze

Of the three you're the only one that asked me xP

WELL, I'LL BE DAMNED.

Originally Posted by Ataro

Like with Crazy, I think only Synthesis asked me, and it was yesterday when I was sorting out some stuff. Other than that, I've only had Kaioo asked me before.

You can always try sending me a PM to hopefully fix a time for a test if you can't find me on AIM anyway.

I think I'll go ahead and do that when I know I'll have the time. Thanks anyway you silly refs.

I blame this problem on ppl who stall in basic battles. I mean, seriously? Its a basic battle people, not a E4 where you NEED to win. the purpose is to evolve quickly, not try and piss ppl off. You will still get decent money even if you lose. most refs dont do it coz they dont like it when its 1v1 and one person decides they want to take as long as possible to lose

The point of this thread is to get the refs to ref basic battles: they don't necessarily need an incentive, it was just one idea.

I do agree with Kaioo with what he said: refs really should basic battles anyway. Yesterday, Bumblebee reffed 7 basic battles between me and CoastingWingull and it lasted less than five minutes. He would have made $3500 from doing that, which, I believe, is more than reffing a 6V6 and it took a ninth of the time.

I think an incentive could be a fun way to attract more refs and to generally get old refs to ref. But HKIM, who supports this idea, and I are open to new suggestions you have

Personally, I don't mind reffing basic battles for people who have a little common sense. But when people start stalling and crap, I no longer have any desire to ref for them. I really don't care if you want to win, and the only way to do that is to Recover/CM for ten turns so you're strong enough to kill the other guy. Therefore, if you want me to ref basic battles, make sure your opponent can 2HKO you. Or failing that, if you have to stall to win, spare me my sanity and TAKE THE LOSS. If I have to spend fifteen minutes reffing one stupid battle between a Togepi and a Cleffa, don't expect me to do it ten times. Or even twice. Do you know how tedious that gets?

We are all aware that basic battles can get stalled very frequently by people who want an extra .5K, but can we please try and come to a solution?

Originally Posted by AceTrainer14

We are all aware that basic battles can get stalled very frequently by people who want an extra .5K, but can we please try and come to a solution?

Solution: People Should Stop Being Idiots.

Originally Posted by AceTrainer14

We are all aware that basic battles can get stalled very frequently by people who want an extra .5K, but can we please try and come to a solution?

I think most of us have already settled how the problem isn't in the pay, but simply the mentality that referees have about basic battles.

Like I said, only solution is for people to come fourth and becomes referees themselves. New referees tend to ref more basics, or that's what I've noticed.

Like ataro said, a major problem is the mentality of refs towards basic battles. We need to fix this problem otherwise the new refs will eventually have this mentality aswell, so we will need new refs and the cycle begins again etc...

And the solution is...

Originally Posted by ~Near

Solution: People Should Stop Being Idiots.

A battler has every right to do use whatever move(s) they want. A ref can't get mad at a battler for playing a certain way. However, a ref can choose not to ref for the same person again, but they should complete reffing whatever they are already in.

Yes that is true battlers can do whatever they want but by stalling during basic battles they are affecting everyone else because potentially that means another ref unwilling to ref basics for everyone

Maybe refs could gain the ability to call a battle over and declare the winner by default if one of the trainers starts to stall. I realize the many possibilities of abusing this ability but there could be checks put in place to make sure there is good reason to declaring a winner.

Originally Posted by The Laughing Man

Maybe refs could gain the ability to call a battle over and declare the winner by default if one of the trainers starts to stall. I realize the many possibilities of abusing this ability but there could be checks put in place to make sure there is good reason to declaring a winner.

I think it has too much potential for abuse, as nice as it sounds. I would simply say that if a basic battle runs more than 5 rounds, not reffing for the person responsible again, unless you knew in advance it would likely take a while. (I refer to my awesome Metronome battle with a pair of Togepis I had a while ago - the ref knew what it would be like ahead of time, and still was willing to ref. (Thx, btw.)

I say if a ref wants to put a stipulation on basic battles, that they be over w/in 3 turns, that's fine; the people don't have to pick that ref if they want a more involved one. I think if they specified such things up front, everyone would be able to find the basic battles they needed, whatever sort those might be.

I don't know if incentivizing basic battles for the refs is terribly necessary; perhaps a small prize, say a basic-rank mon for the most reffed in a month; that way, it's harder to abuse the incentive program, because the rewards are fairly delayed, and infrequent.

No, no refs should be allowed to call off a match whenever they want just because the people are stalling. Reffing is a voluntary thing but once you've said yes to that person, it is essentially your responsibility to ref finish the match, unless for say you've got to go or something along those lines.

It's just stupid to even allow a ref to call off reffing once stalling happens. Simple way out is to not ref for that person again if you really don't want to/cannot put up with his/her battling techniques. It's not like a referee is being forced to ref a super basics stall over 7 times just because he reffed the first.

And where do you find a new referee after that? Either keep looking or step ahead and become one yourself. Afterall, it's not like this is the first time people are complaining about the lack of referees or whatever similar.