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    Problem #1: People, who aren’t officials, or moderators, are left in the dark a majority of the time.

    This is a problem because we don’t know what’s happening with are concerns, we don’t even know if it’s being discussed or not half of the time. I just found out today that the problem with TED’s tourney battle, was actually being discussed. Yet all we get to see is this locked thread.
    The URPG could be planning to shut down, and we’d all be completely clueless, for all we know. That’s a bit extreme, but still an example.
    In my opinion it would be nice to be able to see what’s going on in the URPG, because everyone who plays devote at least some of their free time to it, and therefore deserves to know.

    Solution: We should be able to see the mod forums, but not have the ability to post, that way we know what’s happening, and flaming/spamming threads of important nature will not be done. This is completely possible according to Misty.

    “iamnotyou11 (10:59:00 PM):Is it possible to make a board
    iamnotyou11 (10:59:05 PM):that everyone can see
    iamnotyou11 (10:59:07 PM):but only certain people
    iamnotyou11 (10:59:09 PM):can post
    Slowking50 (10:59:14 PM):yes”

    Problem #2: Officials have power, which isn’t specified, which allows them to do anything unless a moderator overrules them. Also, people should not be punished for things that were not in the rules, unless obvious cases of intentional abuse.
    The problem with this is that, they can do it, and then be overruled. It should be, ask before they can do since it takes time to get something overruled and sometimes it’s only a matter of importance for that certain time.

    Solution: Specify the rules of officials of the URPG, list all the things they have the power to do and be ‘slightly’ specific, not completely specific, as it would take way to much effort to compile the rules, and would be unrealistic. If it’s not listed THEY CAN’T DO IT and must first be discussed with moderators, not ‘a’ moderator, moderators. It would at least be better than no rules at all. Also, to punish someone, it should be clearly listed as them breaking a rule, and they should have to check to see if it’s a rule before punishing, this includes moderators. Exceptions being cases that were clearly intentional abuse.
    IE. When some members lost money, from previous 1hkos. Even this is debatable as punishable, since they were never told to stop, simply punished.

    An example of when people should have not been punished is here. The Park had been running for quite some time, and just taking back Pokemon, was completely unfair. It was never in the rules, therefore rules should have been changed, but Pokemon should not have been taken back.

    These were decided by officials as well as moderators, so doesn’t show the power of officials, but are still good examples.

    The park was a fault on the creators for not noticing that it was too easy to get high leveled story Pokemon; the normal members should NOT be punished.

    Edit:
    Concerning problem #1, I think that things that discuss specific members should remain unviewable, but everything else, viewable, unless for a reason similar to the discussion of specific members. I do understand completely that seeing things on Bans/Promotions/Etc. shouldn't be for everyone's eyes, since it's not related to them whatsoever.
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    Feel free to ask me about stuff that's going on in the mod boards. I don't think you need to be able to see them. We discuss bans/promotions there, and those should not be public. I do think that the (first bit of it) second idea has some merit to it. I'm not seeing the point. When have officials overstepped their authority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leman View Post
    Feel free to ask me about stuff that's going on in the mod boards. I don't think you need to be able to see them. We discuss bans/promotions there, and those should not be public. I do think that the (first bit of it) second idea has some merit to it. I'm not seeing the point. When have officials overstepped their authority?
    What are the officials authority? They can't overstep their authority if their authority isn't written anywhere.

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    I don't have a problem with revealing the mod boards, except some of the information or opinions there are sensitive. For example, why certain people were denied promotions. I do think more topics presented in the mod boards should be made in the Trainer's Court instead, though.

    If you want to see the board, just log in as me. Pass is ouazoa09wo. Just don't do anything stupid. -_~

    Officials are people that can be trusted to not abuse power, while still keeping order in the URPG. Can you cite a time in which a single official was abusive in power?

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    Near, your main point is quite unclear.

    You went from one issue about officials hiding information from the commoners - to another of how unfair officials could be at times. How will your plan text of forcing all URPG (including officials) to be under a written law be the solvency for both of the problems you listed?

    Also like Pidge said, your argument about abusive officials might be extremely persuasive... but it has no factual evidence that you presented. The two incidents you provided were to recall "products" that were created out of a flawed system in URPG. In the real world, a product that might unintentionally cause harm to a consumer because of manufacture flaws will always be immediately recalled once acknowledged.

    Why?

    1. For the safety and health of the consumer.
    2. To protect the reliability between the manufacturer and the consumer.

    So just like irl recalls, URPG officials had to do these recalls once the problems were discovered. The recalls were not to purposely abuse power and be unfair to the commoners of URPG, but to provide the greatest amount of general welfare and utilitarianism. Sorry if you lost all your prized earnings while the problems existed, but this was for the best to maintain fairness in URPG.

    Officials know what they are doing and can be trusted, that's why they're instated to high positions of authority in the first place. Reiterating, you have no factual support of an abusive official. And if the case of one existed, HKim would obviously launch an investigation or just boot them off the "board of directors" anyways.

    URPG is in no need of a Magna Carta.
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    Hey pidge, didn't you aproove a thread that got me infracted. Damn, that's pretty responsible.

    I lost my ref license for being rude to the battlers, yet ST is just as rude, if not ruder then myself.

    Officials are positions above referees, therefore why is ST still an official. Shouldn't officials have to be more respectful than refs? Other then the fact that mods get along with him why In the world is he still an official. If you deny he's rude, then you know you're lying.

    Feng, those examples don't relate, the example with the eggs HARM people, where the example with the national park help people. One person got a porygon easily and you didn't, it's not a big deal, you had the option of using the park yourself and didn't.

    Also I proprosed that officials had rules to follow of what they were allowed to do, not that we need more strict rules, we just simply shouldn't be punished for rules that haven't been written or said anywhere, which is exactly what happened in the two examples I gave.


    Also some St stuff: Proof1 Proof2 Proof3
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    I approved a tournament that I had no idea would be considered mocking a person. Instead: a satire on how tournaments are approved. However, it was interpreted by discretion as the former rather than the latter. I asked if you cared about being infracted afterward, because I would fight to get said infraction removed, but you said you didn't care.

    ST is quite a complicated person. ST never singles people out. He calls everyone 'dipshits' at the same time. Additionally, he has the aura of a cranky person that makes his comments seem just hilarious to me. However, I suppose other people that don't know him can interpret his messages incorrectly, but he never goes out of his way to tell a single person he dislikes them. However, he did say you specifically blow. This is perhaps questionable behavior.
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    Understandable.

    But you also disallow FFA ideas, which is pretty stupid. Honestly, you didn't allow me to ref a random legends FFA, when it's actually been done before, and no one has said anything about it.

    ST also disallows FFA rules.

    It's pretty illogical to disallow a FFA rule, unless it's being abused for fast cash, and considering Auto-Taunt isn't banned, then NO free for all rules should be banned.

    Just because an official thinks something is stupid, doesn't mean it should be stopped, unless there's a good reason behind it. An FFA isn't all to important. It's just something to do for fun once in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Near View Post
    Understandable.

    But you also disallow FFA ideas, which is pretty stupid. Honestly, you didn't allow me to ref a random legends FFA, when it's actually been done before, and no one has said anything about it.

    ST also disallows FFA rules.

    It's pretty illogical to disallow a FFA rule, unless it's being abused for fast cash, and considering Auto-Taunt isn't banned, then NO free for all rules should be banned.

    Just because an official thinks something is stupid, doesn't mean it should be stopped, unless there's a good reason behind it. An FFA isn't all to important. It's just something to do for fun once in a while.
    There are good, logical reasons behind those rejections.

    Look, I'm interested in game design and theory. There are some rules that should never be used. Random Pokemon is one because then you aren't even really playing URPG. These Pokemon aren't in your stats. Using Pokemon you don't actually own is usually reserved to tournaments, and even then, some of us have a mentality that we should stay away from those kind of tournaments (Battle Factory, Dream Tournament).

    Randomness is another thing that should be avoided, especially when it can greatly affect a player's ability to win or lose. Why should a player be able to dominate or be put out of the running for winning by plain chance or 'luck'? Granted, FFAs already have some element of this, but you don't want exacerbate it anymore.

    Also, I would very much like to ban Auto-Taunt in normal FFAs.

    Lastly, there's plenty of creative room for making FFA rules with those limitations in mind. FFA rules can get pretty ridiculous at times, be glad you can make them up at all.

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    Yes, random pokemon add another thing to the luck factor, but considering really weak basics have won ffas, would make the actual pokemon used a minor detail. People choosing not to attack you plays the largest role in ffas, or teaming and hoping you arnt backstabbed. Your moves don't really effect what place you get either, sub is the only move that will help you a whole lot.

    Also as I said ffas are for fun, and using random mons, which are things you don't usually use, is fun. Especially if they're legends.

    It's your opinion that random Pokemon is a bad, but that doesn't give you the right to ban random Pokemon ffas, because that's just plain out stupid. If anyone were to ban them if would have to be Ataro or Leman, and I'm pretty sure Ataro ref's random Pokemon ffas once in a while. I may be wrong about this though.

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    We're not here to talk about what rules are fine or not for FFA's. We're talking about whether it's an abuse of power for me to tell you that you can't have a certain rule. When you think of abuse, does this kind of thing really come to mind? Me telling you that you can't use a rule for a reason I believe to be logical is an abuse of power? I was just doing what I believed to be right. There was no personal gain or harm. You weren't even punished or anything like that. Even if it is abuse, your overall argument is shaky if this is the only case in which officials may not be trusted. And if you believe an official is doing something wrong, the best solution is contacting a different and/or multiple officials or mods about the situation.
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    I feel as if this thread would get more love if Near hadn't been the one to post it.

    I agree with the point that the public should know what's going on (not promotions/bans). That was one of the biggest problems for me back when the mods weren't really active and announcements just came out of the blue. It's also a reason why I don't mind telling people what's going on in the boards (not promotions/bans) even if it is "leaking." What's the point of all the secrecy? Do we really need to hide that BW is being discussed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge View Post
    We're not here to talk about what rules are fine or not for FFA's. We're talking about whether it's an abuse of power for me to tell you that you can't have a certain rule. When you think of abuse, does this kind of thing really come to mind? Me telling you that you can't use a rule for a reason I believe to be logical is an abuse of power? I was just doing what I believed to be right. There was no personal gain or harm. You weren't even punished or anything like that. Even if it is abuse, your overall argument is shaky if this is the only case in which officials may not be trusted. And if you believe an official is doing something wrong, the best solution is contacting a different and/or multiple officials or mods about the situation.
    Actually, the point of this has gotten off topic, and I can't say I'm not partly to blame.

    Whether or not officials have or have not abused their power is mostly irrelevant, other then the fact that if they haven't then it's not an issue that needs to be solved quickly, but it still needs to be solved. Either:
    A. Rules need to be put in place so officials can't continue to abuse their power, or B. Rules need to be put in place so officials can't abuse their power in the future.

    Either way rules should be put in place. Just with the case of B it wouldn't be a priority.

    Also earlier you said, "Instead: a satire on how tournaments are approved," in response to my comment on approving the tourney that got me an infraction. Clearly this means you think that rules should be put in place for approving tourneys? or that tourneys should need more than one approval?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Near View Post
    Actually, the point of this has gotten off topic, and I can't say I'm not partly to blame.

    Whether or not officials have or have not abused their power is mostly irrelevant, other then the fact that if they haven't then it's not an issue that needs to be solved quickly, but it still needs to be solved. Either:
    A. Rules need to be put in place so officials can't continue to abuse their power, or B. Rules need to be put in place so officials can't abuse their power in the future.

    Either way rules should be put in place. Just with the case of B it wouldn't be a priority.

    Also earlier you said, "Instead: a satire on how tournaments are approved," in response to my comment on approving the tourney that got me an infraction. Clearly this means you think that rules should be put in place for approving tourneys? or that tourneys should need more than one approval?
    Just wondering, what are you trying to prevent? What kind of heinous act could an official possibly do? Do you believe any of the current officials would do anything like that? Also, do you realize they're almost the same thing as moderators, except without the ability to edit, delete, and move posts and/or threads.

    With your last part, you couldn't be any more correct. I think it has been resolved, though, or it was never a problem due to miscommunication.

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