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    Default Re: Pokemon XY Discussion, Research, Suggestion & Preparation

    I dunno if this is known / obvious, but they have the prevos' level up moves in the threads for the fully evolved Pokemon. Maybe that's why you're missing them?

    Also, the reason they look kind of patchy is because as soon as they get them they take them straight to the move relearner so they have a lot of "<level". It looks sort of confusing when you look at the replies because a lot of people are contributing things at once, but the OP's are usually clear once they get updated. Also, for the URPG purposes I don't think it really matters what levels Pokemon learn their moves so I don't think that should dissuade.

    No offense, but I don't think the URPG at all has the capability to complete a project like this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fierce Deity View Post
    Shield Form Max Stats (neutral nature):
    324 / 199 / 399 / 199 / 399 / 219


    Blade Form Max Stats (neutral nature):
    324 / 438 / 218 / 438 / 218 / 240



    I got these from Serebii. I will see if I could double or even triple check their credibility with this by checking Smogon and Bulbapedia.
    Those stats seem a little odd - I was under the impression that it was a straight swap (ie 399 <-> 199) but I may be wrong anyway. Blade Form looks more like what each stat could be with a positive nature, since they're all +10% on the Shield Form stats.

    Other than that, lists like these are exactly what we need. I'll post some Google Docs soon that people can edit movesets into - anybody that wants to help can research OR get data from sites that appear to have reliable info already. Either is fine. It will help to have everything in one place for myself and Ataro to reference.

    Right now, I'm trying to collect all the TMs so I can confirm compatibility with all the Pokemon.

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    I have a really stupid question...Was there not a guide book released for this gen? I'm sure a guide book wouldn't help too terribly much but at least it would list out a lot of the new things - TM list and attack list. I think they've stopped making a guides complete with Pokedex with full move pools and what not. Thought I'd ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessRuler View Post
    I have a really stupid question...Was there not a guide book released for this gen? I'm sure a guide book wouldn't help too terribly much but at least it would list out a lot of the new things - TM list and attack list. I think they've stopped making a guides complete with Pokedex with full move pools and what not. Thought I'd ask.
    I'm pretty sure there is a strategy guide. They attempted to sell me it when I bought the game lol.

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    If someone wanted to help with getting data collected for XY what would be the best means of doing so? Like is there a template or something for the ultradex that one could like knock a Pokemon off or something?

    Also we need to do like ref encyclopedia stuff too right? Is there any type of template for moves or anything? Like can we just use the current set for the new moves?

    EDIT: Actually now that I look a lot of the new abilities have already been added to refpedia, so what else needs to be done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamite View Post
    If someone wanted to help with getting data collected for XY what would be the best means of doing so? Like is there a template or something for the ultradex that one could like knock a Pokemon off or something?

    Also we need to do like ref encyclopedia stuff too right? Is there any type of template for moves or anything? Like can we just use the current set for the new moves?

    EDIT: Actually now that I look a lot of the new abilities have already been added to refpedia, so what else needs to be done?
    That was me last night. I've left some patchy spots and assumptions in brackets, like Strong Jaw is probably a 20% increase as per Iron Fist, but I didn't have an exact figure.
    That was based on a list from Bulbapedia. All this discussion and collaboration is only useful if it actually gets implemented, so I figured I would.

    I'll do the new moves at some point today, using the existing format.

    If anybody has more reliable information than whats in our Refpedia, go ahead and post it here or let me know.

    As for the Ultradex, that's @Ataro;'s project, so it's up to him how he wants that done.

    Currently it would be really helpful to have a complete list of any old Pokemon with BST changes, and any old moves with mechanics changed (ie Flamethrower etc is 90 Power)

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    Default Re: Pokemon XY Discussion, Research, Suggestion & Preparation

    Sure is there any like format you want them typed up in?

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    @Monbrey ;I'm fairly certain that Strong Jaw is a 50% increase, to match Tough Claws and Mega Launcher. It also makes Tyrantrum a lot more useable.

    E: Yeah:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrantrum Smogon entry
    - Strong Jaw
    Strong Jaw increases the power of biting moves(e.g. Crunch) by 50%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamite View Post
    Sure is there any like format you want them typed up in?
    For Pokemon with BST changes, something like Pokemon/HP/ATT/DEF/SPA/SPD/SPE is perfect. I can copy-paste that into the calc's read file.

    Moves and Abilities, just something like "Flamethrower power from 95 to 90" is fine. Or "Oblivious now also blocks Taunt". Anything that's interpretable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Synthesis View Post
    @Monbrey ;I'm fairly certain that Strong Jaw is a 50% increase, to match Tough Claws and Mega Launcher. It also makes Tyrantrum a lot more useable.

    E: Yeah:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrantrum Smogon entry
    - Strong Jaw
    Strong Jaw increases the power of biting moves(e.g. Crunch) by 50%
    Huh, cool. If only it learned more than Bite and Crunch level up. I'll edit those in. Are Fairy Aura and Dark Aura also 50%?[

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    Default Re: Pokemon XY Discussion, Research, Suggestion & Preparation

    Here's a really random question, I ask it here instead of the general thread because it might affect the calc:

    How does Flying Press with Hawlucha work STAB-wise? Like, does it get a x2.25 bonus cos its a Fighting and Flying move being used by a Fighting and Flying Pokemon? For that matter, how does it work in general, like if Flying Press is used on a pure Steel type (Registeel, I'm blanking atm) does it deal neutral damage because Steel resists Flying but is weak to Fighting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChainReaction01 View Post
    Here's a really random question, I ask it here instead of the general thread because it might affect the calc:

    How does Flying Press with Hawlucha work STAB-wise? Like, does it get a x2.25 bonus cos its a Fighting and Flying move being used by a Fighting and Flying Pokemon? For that matter, how does it work in general, like if Flying Press is used on a pure Steel type (Registeel, I'm blanking atm) does it deal neutral damage because Steel resists Flying but is weak to Fighting?
    No idea as of yet.

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    Acid Armor's PP was changed from 40 to 20
    Air Cutter's BP was changed from 55 to 60
    Assurance's BP was changed from 50 to 60
    Aura Sphere's BP was changed from 90 to 80
    Barrier's PP was changed from 30 to 20
    Blizzard's BP was changed from 120 to 110
    Bubble's BP was chnaged from 20 to 40
    Charm's type was changed from Normal to Fairy
    Chatter's BP was changed from 60 to 65
    Draco Meteor's BP was changed from 140 to 130
    Dragon Pulse's BP was changed from 90 to 85
    Defog now removes Hazard's from user's side as well as oppone
    Energy Ball's BP was changed from 80 to 90
    Extrasensory's PP was changed from 30 to 20
    Fire Blast's BP was changed from 120 to 110
    Fire Pledge's BP was changed from 50 to 80
    Flamerthrower's BP was changed from 95 to 90
    Frost Breath's BP was changed from 40 to 60
    Fury Cutter's BP was changed from 20 to 40
    Future Sight's BP was changed from 100 to 120
    Glare's Accuracy was changed from 90 to 100
    Grass Pledge's BP was changed from 50 to 80
    Gunk Shot's Accuracy was changed from 70 to 80
    Heat Wave's BP was changed from 100 to 95
    Hex's BP was chnaged from 50 to 60
    Hidden Power's BP was set to 60
    Hurricane's BP was changed from 120 to 110
    Hydro Pump's BP was changed from 120 to 110
    Ice Beam's BP as changed from 95 to 90
    Incinerate now affects gems as well as berries
    Knock Off's BP was changed from 20 to 65
    Leaf Storm's NP was changed from 140 to 130
    Lick's Bp was changed from 20 to 30
    Low sweep's BP was chandged from 60 to 65
    Magic Room now has normal priority
    Meteor Mash's BP was changed from 100 to 90
    Meteor Mash's Accuracy was changed from 85 to 90
    Minimize's PP was changed from 20 to 10
    Moonlight's Type was changed to Fairy
    Muddy Water's BP was changed from 95 to 90
    Mud Sport now lasts 5 turns regardless of whether the user switches or not
    Overheat's BP was changed from 140 to 130
    Pin Missile's BP was changed from 14 to 25
    Pin Missile's Accuracy was changed from 85 to 95
    Poison Gas's Accuracy was changed from 80 to 90
    Power Gem's BP was changed from 70 to 80
    Roar's Accruacy was made never miss
    Rock Tomb's BP was chandged from 50 to 60
    Rock Tomb's Accuracy was changed from 80 to 95
    Rock Tomb's PP was changed from 10 to 15
    Skull Bash's PP was changed from 15 to 10
    Skull Bash's BP was changed from 100 to 130
    Smog's BP was changed from 20 to 30
    Snore's BP was changed from 40 to 50
    Storm Throw's BP was changed from 40 to 60
    Struggle Bug's BP was changed from 30 to 50
    Surf's BP was changed from 95 to 90
    Sweet Kiss's type was changed from Normal to Fairy
    Swords Dance's PP was changed from 30 to 20
    Syncrhonise's BP was changed from 70 to 120
    Toxic now has perfect accuracy when used by poison types (ignoring stuff like Dig and Fly)
    Thief's BP was chnaged from 40 to 60
    Thunder's BP was changed form 120 to 110
    thunderbolt's BP was changed from 95 to 90
    Vinewhip's BP was changed from 35 to 45
    Vine Whip's PP was changed from 15 to 25
    Water Pledge's BP was changed from 50 to 80
    Water Sport now lasts for 5 turns, regardless of whether a Pokemon switches or not
    Whirlwind's accuracy was made to never miss
    Will-o-Wisp's accuracy was changed from 75 to 85

    That should be all of the move changes that are available now.


    EDIT:

    Also, all sound based moves bypass Substitute, not sure if that should go in all of the sound moves, or under substitute, but ya.

    Also, Roar/ Whirlwind goes through Protect/ Detect now (with above not sure where to put)

    Water Sport / Mud Sport now last 5 turns NOT expiring when the pokemon switches out.

    Sleep counter also does not reset if pokemon is switched out(similar to pre gen v mechanics)

    Proof for Defog

    A Picture of the Pokemon Guide confirming that Crits now do 1.5x damage

    Knock Off seems to do 1.5x damage if it knocks off an item


    Should I edit this post if I find new things or make a new post?
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    These are what have been revealed so far by Serebii, collecting base stat's seems to be difficult so take with a grain of salt I guess...

    Butterfree/60/45/50/90/80/70
    324/189/199/279/259/239
    Beedrill/65/90/40/45/80/75
    334/279/179/189/259/249
    Pidgeot/83/80/75/70/70/101
    370/259/249/239/239/301
    Pikachu/35/55/40/50/50/90
    274/209/179/199/199/279
    Raichu/60/90/55/90/80/110
    324/279/209/279/259/319
    Nidoqueen/90/92/87/75/85/76
    384/283/273/249/269/251
    Nidoking/81/102/77/85/75/85
    366/303/253/269/249/269
    Clefable/95/70/73/95/90/60
    394/239/245/289/279/219
    Wigglytuff/140/70/45/85/50/45
    484/239/189/269/199/189
    Poliwrath/90/95/95/70/90/70
    384/289/289/239/279/239
    Alakazam/55/50/45/135/95/120
    314/199/189/369/289/339
    Golem/80/120/130/55/65/45
    364/339/359/209/229/189
    Ampharos/90/75/85/115/90/55
    384/249/269/329/279/209
    Azumarill/100/50/80/60/80/50
    404/199/259/219/259/199
    Jumpluff/75/55/70/55/95/110
    354/209/239/209/289/319
    Exploud/104/91/63/91/73/68
    412/281/225/281/245/235
    Staraptor/85/120/70/50/60/100
    374/339/239/199/219/299
    Roserade/60/70/65/125/105/90
    324/239/229/349/309/279
    Gigalith/85/135/130/60/80/25
    374/369/359/219/259/149
    Scolipede/60/100/89/55/69/112
    324/299/277/209/237/323
    Krookodile/95/117/80/65/70/92
    394/333/259/229/239/283

    I double-checked them so they should be correct, but feel free to recheck if you're uncertain. Also double-post cuz different content

    Let me know about anything else.

    EDIT: Added URPG Conversions
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChainReaction01 View Post
    For that matter, how does it work in general, like if Flying Press is used on a pure Steel type (Registeel, I'm blanking atm) does it deal neutral damage because Steel resists Flying but is weak to Fighting?

    Seems to be that it does neutral damage in that case. Also if used on a ghost type the Pokemon is immune,

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    @Elamite

    Awesome stuff, thanks heaps. I'll get to work on that this afternoon.

    Roar and Whirlwind confirmed broken.

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