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    ...DARY ANNOUNCEMENT!



    As some of you may have been aware, Staff have been considering a small rework on Legendaries in URPG, in order to make them more usable and generally more rewarding to own.

    From now on, Legendary Pokemon will be permitted in Elite Four and Champion battles, for both parties. This means Elite Four members, and the Champion, will be permitted to have ONE Legendary Pokemon in their line-up, and challengers will be permitted to have ONE in their team.

    From now on, specific tournaments and competitions may reward the winner with a permanent Legendary. This Legend will not expire, and can be kept in their stats for life. Permanent Legends will NOT be unique, and multiples may exist.
    The only effect this change has on existing Legendaries is that existing permanent Legendaries may not longer be unique. Existing temporary Legendaries are unaffected.

    From now on, temporary Legendaries will also receive a number of EM's free of charge, in order to make them usable in battle without also being a waste of money. This number will be 10 EM's, unless specified otherwise when the Legend is awarded.
    This rule is retroactive - anybody with an existing temporary Legend may also select 10 EM's to put on their legend.

    The new temporary Legend rules apply to the Legend Defender, currently Bumblebee. The requirements to earn a permanent Legend from the Legend Defender position also remain unchanged.

    Temporary Legends ARE STILL UNIQUE. This means that no two people can own the same temporary Legend at the same time. However it is possible for one person to own a temporary Legend while multiple permanent Legends of the same species exist.

    If you currently have a Legend, post in the Legend Log and claim your EM's if required.

    If anybody has any questions, post in this thread and the Staff will do their best to answer them.
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    I do not agree with the decision, but I will take advantage of it. What are the rulings regarding my Ho-oh for being URPG Champion? Is it permanent or is it temporary? I would contest to say the former since the level of accomplishment it took to acquire it is similar, if not greater, to the current requirements. And I have defended it three times. Also does it get 10 free moves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge View Post
    I do not agree with the decision, but I will take advantage of it. What are the rulings regarding my Ho-oh for being URPG Champion? Is it permanent or is it temporary? I would contest to say the former since the level of accomplishment it took to acquire it is similar, if not greater, to the current requirements. And I have defended it three times. Also does it get 10 free moves?
    I can't answer for if your Ho-Oh is temp or not, though I'd assume it's permanent (becoming Champ is one of the feats discussed that qualifies as earning a permaLegend), but if it is ruled as perma, it doesn't get the EMs. Those only apply to temp Legends; you get free EMs so you don't waste money on giving it moves to make it useable that vanish once the Legend expires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champion, Elite Four and Gym Leaders Thread
    When a new challenger becomes Champion, he/she chooses an available legendary Pokemon that he/she keeps for as long as he remains Champion. A challenger that becomes the Champion also receives a non-legendary Pokemon of his/her choice to keep permanently.
    Given that we now have a proper system for determining permanent legends, I think I'll change that so that yes, becoming Champion DOES award a permanent legendary. In that case, no, your Ho-oh does not receive 10 EM's free, as there's no loss to you in EMing it yourself as their would be if your legend could expire.

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    Will tournaments, Legend Defender, and gyms allow Legendary Pokemon? It seems odd that only the Elite 4 and Champion must deal with them, especially if the goal is to increase Legendary usability and that E4+C battles are supposedly the most competitive types of battles. I know gyms have the freedom to customize rules, but they may only do so with the rules that are listed, meaning the No Legendary Pokemon clause could be removed. I guess my suggestion is: their use should be available in either everything or nothing.
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    I think we pretty much agreed on a Legends Clause that's on by default and prevents either battler from using a Legend. Obviously the Leader can turn this off if they wanna. Though maybe the ruling was just for E4/Champ battles, idr lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge View Post
    Will tournaments, Legend Defender, and gyms allow Legendary Pokemon? It seems odd that only the Elite 4 and Champion must deal with them, especially if the goal is to increase Legendary usability and that E4+C battles are supposedly the most competitive types of battles. I know gyms have the freedom to customize rules, but they may only do so with the rules that are listed, meaning the No Legendary Pokemon clause could be removed. I guess my suggestion is: their use should be available in either everything or nothing.
    I believe we decided that some tournaments would be allowed the use of legendaries; Legend Defender and Gyms will not not have that option. I'll now address the reasoning we had used in these two decisions.

    Legend Defender:

    The Legend Defender earns their Legendary by proving in battle, presumably with no prior legendary that they have deserved the right to have one, although temporary. It would be unfair for a Challenger and less of a challenge for the Defender if legendaries would be allowed for use in Legend Defender battles. The entire point is to prove that the Legend Defender has proven their mastery of normal Pokemon in order to achieve the position.

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    Gyms:

    The argument here is that, when battling gyms, the leader of the gym already has the advantage of picking the rules, which the challenger is forced to adhere to. Furthermore, if the Gym leader is allowed to use a legendary they own, the challenger is most likely not going to have a legendary to match, which would be an even larger advantage over the challenger. If the leader is a skilled enough battler to own a legendary, the challenger would already have had more than a difficult enough time winning the battle with the rules against them. If the challenger has a legendary, then given that it is difficult to acquire legendary Pokemon, they most likely are already talented enough to defeat the gym. Essentially, allowing legendaries in gym battles is more often a distinct advantage to the gym leader over more inexperienced battlers, but is less effective against tougher challengers.

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    You can apply the same reasoning to E4 battles. If it is unfair for a person to have a Legendary Pokemon in LD, why is it not unfair for an E4 battle? And I don't know where you got that the entire point of LD battles was to prove mastery of normal Pokemon. You could just as easily say the entire point was to provide a King of the Hill game, with the king having a prize. Or you could twist it and say that the LD is a powerful trainer capable of handling Legendary Pokemon and it is only appropriate for him to use such Pokemon. Someone could say, 'The entire point is to prove that the E4 Member has proven their mastery of normal Pokemon in order to achieve the position,' and that only normal Pokemon should be used.

    Also it is not as hard as you say to acquire a Legend. All you have to do is beat whoever the LD is, and you even get 10 free moves with it.
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    Default Re: A LEGEND - wait for it...

    If you can't properly defend your policy, then there is probably something wrong with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge View Post
    You can apply the same reasoning to E4 battles. If it is unfair for a person to have a Legendary Pokemon in LD, why is it not unfair for an E4 battle? And I don't know where you got that the entire point of LD battles was to prove mastery of normal Pokemon. You could just as easily say the entire point was to provide a King of the Hill game, with the king having a prize. Or you could twist it and say that the LD is a powerful trainer capable of handling Legendary Pokemon and it is only appropriate for him to use such Pokemon. Someone could say, 'The entire point is to prove that the E4 Member has proven their mastery of normal Pokemon in order to achieve the position,' and that only normal Pokemon should be used.

    Also it is not as hard as you say to acquire a Legend. All you have to do is beat whoever the LD is, and you even get 10 free moves with it.
    Well, by developing our policy, we have interpreted and decided previously undetermined arguments regarding the purposes of these establishments. It matters not what we CAN twist it to mean, we have decided definitively what they mean. As the Staff of URPG, I'm certain we're within our power to do that. Judging by the way you presented your argument, you haven't seemed to find an inherent flaw in our logic, you only seem to have found equally valid alternatives to the logic we have utilized, based on different interpretation of the purposes of these positions. As for our decision regarding allowing Legends in the E4 battles, it was really just to add a more epic dimension to the weight of the battles. Its not offensive to the purpose because it is not just about being a talented battler, but that its about reaching the peak of the URPG. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, wouldn't you agree?
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    Default Re: A LEGEND - wait for it...

    Thank you for your mature and thought out response.
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    i cannot accept this sacristy




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