HKimF: Hello, allow me to introduce myself. My name is Harry Kim.
MHOGT: Oh, hello.
MHOGT: How do you do?
HKimF: I'm fine, you?
MHOGT: I'm doing well, thanks.
MHOGT: So, ah, to what do I owe the introduction?
HKimF: A simple history study.
HKimF: I've been doing some research into something called the Ultimate Pokemon RPG.
MHOGT: For what reason?
MHOGT: Er...if you have any questions, feel free to ask.
HKimF: Sorry, talking to a few people at once.
HKimF: Well, I'm writing an article for the PE2K Times.
HKimF: About the History of the URPG.
MHOGT: Er...what's this publication you're with?
HKimF: Starting with the creation by White Rider.
HKimF: It's not a real article, more of an internet thing.
MHOGT: What's the web address?
MHOGT: If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I'll try to answer them as best I can.
HKimF: You were known then as Dire, correct?
MHOGT: Yeah, pretty much.
MHOGT: I still am.
MHOGT: But people seemed to like that abbreviation.
HKimF: What was yoru full name on the group?
MHOGT: To be accurate, that is.
HKimF: I see.
HKimF: So when did you join the URPG?
HKimF: Was the group active then?
MHOGT: It'd been active for a year or two when I joined.
MHOGT: It remained relatively active well into 2001, I'd say.
HKimF: What happened in 2001?
MHOGT: Well, I left, for one thing.
MHOGT: Didn't really keep track of it.
HKimF: Okay, let's go back a bit.
MHOGT: Mind you, URPG had its own evolutions and outgrowths.
HKimF: How well did you know White Rider?
MHOGT: I'd say we're comrades.
MHOGT: We talk, we're friends.
HKimF: Do you still talk?
MHOGT: Yes, we do.
MHOGT: From time to time.
HKimF: He was the one that started it all, I recall.
MHOGT: I know he was among the founding members.
MHOGT: I can't recall the original IDs of the others.
MHOGT: What I can say with confidence is that he'd become a prominent member by the time I joined.
HKimF: The leader?
MHOGT: A leader.
HKimF: So you had several?
MHOGT: He and a few others shared in the duties of guiding things here or there.
MHOGT: It was an ad hoc hierarchy.
HKimF: I see.
MHOGT: He and a few others tended to have "power" by merely doing a lot within the group.
HKimF: What about Figgy, how well did you know him?
MHOGT: Not that well.
MHOGT: We talked from time to time.
MHOGT: Played Starcraft a few times.
HKimF: What's your impression of him?
MHOGT: I didn't really see eye to eye with him.
MHOGT: He's a sharp fellow, does a decent job with what he cares about. I didn't take a liking to him, though.
HKimF: From what I can tell, Figgy and Rider tended to argue.
MHOGT: This is true.
HKimF: What did they argue about?
MHOGT: Their disputes tended to polarize the ranking constituency of the group.
MHOGT: Ah, as time passed on, a more concrete hierarchy developed. There were definite and more permanent leaders.
MHOGT: Figgy was among them.
MHOGT: Their arguments tended to draw ranking members into battle lines, so to speak.
MHOGT: As for the subject of their arguments, it ran the gamut.
MHOGT: Disagreements on policy, simple points of view.
MHOGT: Accusations of conspiracy, power-grabbing.
HKimF: Where did you stand?
MHOGT: With white rider most of the time.
MHOGT: As I said, I didn't really take a liking to figgy.
HKimF: Where did the arguments lead to?
MHOGT: As in...did they ever reach a conclusion?
MHOGT: Or...are you asking me to tell you that they led to multiple schisms within the group?
HKimF: The latter.
MHOGT: So, uh...yeah, they led to multiple schisms within the group.
MHOGT: Spinoff groups and such.
MHOGT: And, of course, as you probably know, it eventually led to the dissolution of the URPG proper.
HKimF: Can you be more specific?
MHOGT: Uh...the elimination of the URPG as a group identifiable on the Internet.
MHOGT: It lived on in its spinoffs.
HKimF: I've heard Omega, can you tell me more about that?
MHOGT: It's a spinoff group I watched over for a time.
MHOGT: Run by white rider.
MHOGT: Didn't fare too well.
MHOGT: Or if it did, I wasn't there when it had its upswing.
MHOGT: I guess I can't really say that.
MHOGT: By that time, pokemon wasn't the fad it was.
MHOGT: There wasn't the high rate of growth of membership that one would have expected.
MHOGT: Active membership, of course.
HKimF: I see.
HKimF: From what I can tell, Omega was run by Dire and Ultimate by Figgy.
MHOGT: Eh, I watched over it for a time.
HKimF: I heard that.
MHOGT: It was really more of white rider's group.
MHOGT: I just tried to run admin.
HKimF: Were you a leader with Figgy over the Ultimate?
MHOGT: Yeah, sort of.
HKimF: Admin over Ultimate or Omega?
MHOGT: There was something of a triumvirate between him, moonlite and myself.
MHOGT: Well, I was referring to Omega.
MHOGT: I was more interested in the admin there.
MHOGT: Ah, moon_lite_dragon.
MHOGT: Prominent early member.
MHOGT: Had some say in a bunch of things.
HKimF: Anyway, were there any other major spin-off groups?
HKimF: Other than Ultimate and Omega?
MHOGT: I would like to say, "Yes."
MHOGT: I can't be sure they ever became major.
HKimF: REmember their names?
MHOGT: Not at all.
MHOGT: When I left, I stopped paying attention to the outgrowths.
HKimF: You left at a time when there was severe deletion, I heard.
MHOGT: Hm, clarify?
HKimF: The Ultimate Website and the club.
HKimF: I also heard Omega was deleted too.
MHOGT: I left prior to that.
MHOGT: Sort of.
MHOGT: I'd take a look from time to time.
MHOGT: Didn't really do anything.
MHOGT: But yeah.
HKimF: So it's true that all of that was deleted?
MHOGT: Everything ended up getting deleted.
MHOGT: Hah, you can't find them on the Internet, can you?
HKimF: Find what?
MHOGT: These groups and websites.
MHOGT: I surmise your sources could have given you the appropriate web addresses.
MHOGT: They weren't particularly clever.
HKimF: I don't understand.
MHOGT: Very standard.
MHOGT: I'm just saying, "Yes, they were deleted."
HKimF: Do you know why they were deleted?
MHOGT: As in...the political reasons that brought them about? The historical points in the web of history?
HKimF: Yes, to both.
MHOGT: Well, if you think about it...
MHOGT: There's really only a few reasons.
MHOGT: One, out of bitterness from the schisms.
MHOGT: Two, out of boredom.
MHOGT: Three, to be sadistic.
MHOGT: lol, I personally hold to the first.
MHOGT: The others are irrelevant.
HKimF: You personally hold to the first?
MHOGT: It all goes back to white rider's feuds with figgy, thus polarizing the ranking members.
MHOGT: Uh, yes, I believe the first to be the real cause.
HKimF: So, who did it?
MHOGT: Well, only a few people could have: white rider, moonlite, figgy and myself.
MHOGT: I did delete the website.
MHOGT: And that was actually because I was frustrated with its status.
MHOGT: Well, moonlite and I were overseeing its development, and we hit a limit.
MHOGT: Between the two of us, we didn't have enough webpage building knowledge to make it more efficient and effective as a resource.
MHOGT: It had become a creature burdened by the tasks appended to it.
MHOGT: Record-keeping, rulebooking, keeping up with the latest adjustments to canon.
HKimF: So, you wanted to start over?
MHOGT: Yeah, basically.
MHOGT: Or let someone else take it up.
HKimF: No one wanted it?
MHOGT: There was no point in redressing it from the way it was.
MHOGT: I personally didn't ask anyone to take it.
MHOGT: It was an artistic, a selfish one, but artistic nonetheless, decision.
MHOGT: All the information's readily available online.
HKimF: You mean, things like.... battle equations.
MHOGT: Sample rulebooks.
MHOGT: Canon information for the series.
HKimF: Did Moonlite agree?
MHOGT: Yes, of course.
MHOGT: We agreed that it was a lost cause.
MHOGT: Of course, that it coincided with the deletion with everything else was decidedly inconvenient.
MHOGT: By that point, I wasn't interested in doing the rebuild myself.
HKimF: Do you know who deleted the other parts of the groups?
MHOGT: Can't really say.
MHOGT: I told you of the only people who could have done it.
HKimF: What about Moonlite?
HKimF: What happened to... him/her?
MHOGT: She left, too.
MHOGT: We all went our separate ways.
MHOGT: White rider, moonlite, figgy and I.
MHOGT: Figgy, I know, did create a spinoff.
HKimF: Have you kept tabs since then?
MHOGT: Neg, I have not.
MHOGT: Pokemon faded out for me.
MHOGT: Particularly in the realm of that style of role play.
MHOGT: I took to Star Trek role play of similar style, however.
HKimF: Do you keep in contact with any of the other members?
MHOGT: I still speak with white rider and moonlite when they're available.
MHOGT: No one else beyond them.
HKimF: I don't suppose I could talk to them as well?
MHOGT: If you can find them.
MHOGT: I'm not at liberty to provide their contact information at this time.
HKimF: I see.
MHOGT: For you see, after we went our own ways, they elected to cut ties with that past.
MHOGT: I didn't, of course.
MHOGT: Well, I did.
MHOGT: But I'm still available at the same addresses.
MHOGT: So, pray tell me, historian, what's the purpose of your article?
MHOGT: You seem to know enough to put together an article without my testimony.
HKimF: To tell the truth of history.
HKimF: To show the members of PE2K where the Ultra RPG origionated from.
MHOGT: Ah, I see.
HKimF: After the deletion, Figgy did continue his group.
HKimF: It eventually moved to PE2K where it exists now,.
MHOGT: Ah, good, good.
HKimF: Now, under teh leadership of LilLeprachaun, it is a growing group.
MHOGT: That is surprising, but good to hear.
MHOGT: What do its demographics look like?
HKimF: I'm afraid I don't know what you mean.
MHOGT: Ah...what's its membership like?
HKimF: Well, bigger since when I joined.
MHOGT: Age groups, current membership number, from where do these people hail, and so on.
HKimF: I would say... 120 members.
HKimF: AGe groups tend to be early teens to 24 year olds.
MHOGT: Ah, interesting.
HKimF: The forum is where most of the members garther.
HKimF: Most battles take place over AIM.
MHOGT: I see.
HKimF: We have an active gym leadership in the 4 regions.
MHOGT: Ah, it's good to know you've worked it out.
HKimF: I'm just glad you took the time to talk with me.
MHOGT: Ah, one last thing.
MHOGT: Any talk of me being a mean-spirited, foul-mouthed kid is probably true.
MHOGT: I like to think that my experiences with URPG and its membership made for valuable learning.
HKimF: Well, I haven't heard anythign about you being foul-mouthed.
MHOGT: So, if you have testimony conflicting with mine, chalk it up to my faulty, and biased, memory.
MHOGT: But you've heard something about my being mean-spirited, hahaha.
HKimF: Heh, well, no actually.
HKimF: I only heard that you were a leader in the URPG.
HKimF: Ultimate, anyway.
MHOGT: Well, I figured I might as well get it out there.
MHOGT: Truth and all.
MHOGT: Well, thanks for your work, Harry.
MHOGT: If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
HKimF: What leadership role did you play in Ultimate?
MHOGT: Ah, well, I was a story evaluator for a long time.
MHOGT: I did some referee work.
MHOGT: I worked with administration and development during the troubled period.
MHOGT: Hence, I often came to blows with figgy.
HKimF: Troubled period?
HKimF: When was this?
MHOGT: The bickering.
MHOGT: Between him and white rider.
HKimF: I see.
HKimF: Hmmm, I think I read a story on this, once.
MHOGT: Ah, yeah?
HKimF: An URPG story by BeheadingKing.
HKimF: Heard of him?
MHOGT: Sounds vaguely familiar.
HKimF: Anyway, what can you tell me about Pelican13?
MHOGT: Ah, yes.
MHOGT: Now here's where stories of my being a brat come into play.
MHOGT: Pelican13 was a sort of...elite four type member.
MHOGT: Egg holder, if you know what that is.
MHOGT: Eventually, the admin (myself among them) decided to do away with legendary pokemon.
MHOGT: (Whose eggs designated their elite trainer person.)
HKimF: So, what happened?
MHOGT: Ah, well, pelican didn't really like that.
MHOGT: Another one of the squabbles that the ranking membership ended up getting dragged into.
MHOGT: Eventually, pelican left.
MHOGT: Formed his own pokemon discussion group.
MHOGT: We left on bitter terms.
MHOGT: I didn't particularly like him, either, I recall.
HKimF: I see.
HKimF: Do you know Fair?
MHOGT: Ah, yes.
MHOGT: What of him?
HKimF: Well, he was telling me of PokemonElite2000.
HKimF: The guy that brought the URPG to PE2K.
MHOGT: The group or the person?
MHOGT: Ah, I see.
HKimF: Know anythign about the person, PE2K?
MHOGT: He asked me earlier if I'd consider moving the URPG over.
MHOGT: I declined.
MHOGT: He's a decent fellow, I guess.
MHOGT: I wasn't open to jinxing the system.
MHOGT: I figured there was too much risk involved.
HKimF: I understand.
HKimF: What about Lep, did you know him?
MHOGT: That's what I know of him.
MHOGT: Ah, as a trainer, yes.
MHOGT: I probably reffed a battle or two of his.
HKimF: Heh, a vet now.
MHOGT: I imagine so.
HKimF: That's what we call all the URPG members from the Yahoo Group.
MHOGT: Ah, I see.
HKimF: Was Rider exiled or did he leave?
MHOGT: A little of both.
MHOGT: He exiled himself.
HKimF: That's... confusing.
MHOGT: Well..it's self-imposed exile.
MHOGT: Think of it as...hermitage.
HKimF: I see.
HKimF: Did the Omega and Ultimate come back together after the deletion?
MHOGT: Unfortunately, no.
MHOGT: They remained separate entities, although members floated across the divide.
HKimF: Do you know what happened to Omega?
MHOGT: I'm pretty sure it merely faded out.
MHOGT: I think the group still exists as a structure.
MHOGT: But it's pretty much gone.
HKimF: What did you expect of the RPG after it fell apart?
MHOGT: Personally, I expected to retain only a cult following or die out.
MHOGT: 120 members is more than what I expected, but not by too much.
HKimF: Any advice for us in the future?
MHOGT: Practical advice? I probably can't impart anything you all don't already know.
MHOGT: Just keep going. Stick together, and reach for the future.
MHOGT: Sappy as it sounds.
MHOGT: That sums up my sentiments, however.
HKimF: Well, I have to be going.
HKimF: It's been nice talking with you,
MHOGT: Thanks for your time.
MHOGT: Feel free to message me anytime.
HKimF: Okay, thankyou.
MHOGT: You're welcome.