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    Quote Originally Posted by Monbrey View Post
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    So @Monbrey gifted me a Jumpluff in the gift station, and it has BM Reflect on it, but that is now a TM. Is there anything I need to do about that to legitimize the move or something?
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    Refpedia says Trick fails if one Pokemon doesnt have an item, but is contradicted by Upokecentre, Smogon, and Bulbapedia, which all say that it fails if both dont have an item.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mubz View Post
    Refpedia says Trick fails if one Pokemon doesnt have an item, but is contradicted by Upokecentre, Smogon, and Bulbapedia, which all say that it fails if both dont have an item.
    This did come up in a battle last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mubz View Post
    Refpedia says Trick fails if one Pokemon doesnt have an item, but is contradicted by Upokecentre, Smogon, and Bulbapedia, which all say that it fails if both dont have an item.
    Unless Gen V has changed it, I thought it still worked if only one person had an item. It was one of the reasons we added Mail to the Pokemart - because Trick fails if a Pokemon is holding Mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monbrey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mubz View Post
    Refpedia says Trick fails if one Pokemon doesnt have an item, but is contradicted by Upokecentre, Smogon, and Bulbapedia, which all say that it fails if both dont have an item.
    Unless Gen V has changed it, I thought it still worked if only one person had an item. It was one of the reasons we added Mail to the Pokemart - because Trick fails if a Pokemon is holding Mail.
    You're correct Monbrey. Mubz was saying that the only time it fails is if both don't have an item or if one has mail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterVines View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Monbrey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mubz View Post
    Refpedia says Trick fails if one Pokemon doesnt have an item, but is contradicted by Upokecentre, Smogon, and Bulbapedia, which all say that it fails if both dont have an item.
    Unless Gen V has changed it, I thought it still worked if only one person had an item. It was one of the reasons we added Mail to the Pokemart - because Trick fails if a Pokemon is holding Mail.
    You're correct Monbrey. Mubz was saying that the only time it fails is if both don't have an item or if one has mail.
    Yeah, Mubz was saying that the refpedia entry should be changed because it explicitly states that Trick fails if one of the pokemon doesn't have an item.
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    To add to this conversation, regarding the same topic, I'm gonna put the layman version of Smogon's page for trick.
    DPPt: Trick works if only one mon has a hold.
    BW: Trick fails if only one mon has a hold.

    So of course, prior to BW introduction, the mart needed to have Mail. Post-BW release, there appears to be no need for mail anymore.

    Now the question is, which generation's mechanics do we use?
    For DPPt/Revo, we'd use Gen 4 and for BW/BW Revo we use Gen 5.
    Or is that even with DPPt/Revo, we still have to use Gen 5 mechanics?

    I assume its the latter, because at present, we use the BW mechanics for the move Feint even in DPPt/Revo. Apparantly because it makes the move broken with Technician in effect.

    I think @We Taste Pies... should verify whether or not its true that we use BW mechanics for DPPt and Revo style battles.
    Cuz if we do, then Trick would use the BW rules, thus failing if only one mon has an item. Also, we could take Mail out of the Mart :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xali View Post
    To add to this conversation, regarding the same topic, I'm gonna put the layman version of Smogon's page for trick.
    DPPt: Trick works if only one mon has a hold.
    BW: Trick fails if only one mon has a hold.

    So of course, prior to BW introduction, the mart needed to have Mail. Post-BW release, there appears to be no need for mail anymore.

    Now the question is, which generation's mechanics do we use?
    For DPPt/Revo, we'd use Gen 4 and for BW/BW Revo we use Gen 5.
    Or is that even with DPPt/Revo, we still have to use Gen 5 mechanics?

    I assume its the latter, because at present, we use the BW mechanics for the move Feint even in DPPt/Revo. Apparantly because it makes the move broken with Technician in effect.

    I think @We Taste Pies... should verify whether or not its true that we use BW mechanics for DPPt and Revo style battles.
    Cuz if we do, then Trick would use the BW rules, thus failing if only one mon has an item. Also, we could take Mail out of the Mart :P
    Just tested this in my White game. My Rotom Tricked a Galvantula an Ice Gem, and I got nothing in return so.
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    Quick question: if we have registered on another forum, do we just post our stats in the Stats Thread here or is there somewhere else we need to register?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeloJello View Post
    Quick question: if we have registered on another forum, do we just post our stats in the Stats Thread here or is there somewhere else we need to register?
    You don't need to post your stats anywhere else. It'd just be handy to have a link to them in your sig, for convenience sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xali View Post
    To add to this conversation, regarding the same topic, I'm gonna put the layman version of Smogon's page for trick.
    DPPt: Trick works if only one mon has a hold.
    BW: Trick fails if only one mon has a hold.

    So of course, prior to BW introduction, the mart needed to have Mail. Post-BW release, there appears to be no need for mail anymore.

    Now the question is, which generation's mechanics do we use?
    For DPPt/Revo, we'd use Gen 4 and for BW/BW Revo we use Gen 5.
    Or is that even with DPPt/Revo, we still have to use Gen 5 mechanics?

    I assume its the latter, because at present, we use the BW mechanics for the move Feint even in DPPt/Revo. Apparantly because it makes the move broken with Technician in effect.

    I think @We Taste Pies... should verify whether or not its true that we use BW mechanics for DPPt and Revo style battles.
    Cuz if we do, then Trick would use the BW rules, thus failing if only one mon has an item. Also, we could take Mail out of the Mart :P
    In every other situation, we use the most recent and up to date mechanics. No matter how far back we go, R/S/E or even G/S/C, Outrage has a power of 120, Giga Drain has a power of 75, Tackle is 100% accurate etc etc. The same would/will apply to Trick. The refpedia has been updated.
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    Just tested a few things in my Black version.

    Arceus uses Rest.
    Dewgong uses Aqua Ring.
    [Wild Pokémon do stuff]

    Arceus sleeps.
    Dewgong uses Aqua Ring, fails.
    [Wild Pokémon do stuff]

    Arceus sleeps.
    Dewgong uses Encore on Arceus.
    [Wild Pokémon do stuff]

    Next turn: Arceus can only use Rest!

    Also tested Trick while only one was holding something. It worked regardless which one wasn't holding anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash K. View Post
    Just tested a few things in my Black version.

    Arceus uses Rest.
    Dewgong uses Aqua Ring.
    [Wild Pokémon do stuff]

    Arceus sleeps.
    Dewgong uses Aqua Ring, fails.
    [Wild Pokémon do stuff]

    Arceus sleeps.
    Dewgong uses Encore on Arceus.
    [Wild Pokémon do stuff]

    Next turn: Arceus can only use Rest!

    Also tested Trick while only one was holding something. It worked regardless which one wasn't holding anything.

    Thanks for that. Trick was already updated to reflect that. The reason Encore worked is because Arceus still has a "last successful move". Sleep does not cause a move to fail, it prevents any execution of a move. Encore only fails if the move you are trying to Encore has 0 PP left, target has not made a move at all, or is used on an un-Encore-able move.
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