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    Default Upcoming infraction system reform

    Over the last few months, the Bulbagarden staff has grown concerned with what we perceived as issues with our infraction system. These were:

    1. We wanted the infraction to scale a little better (add something lower than four months but higher than one month), and avoid too trivial punishments (two days).

    2. Make it so that repeat offenders aren't given "a chance" at every turn - right now you can get infracted twice, get banned, get infracted twice again, another ban, get infracted twice again, etc. If you keep breaking the rules you'll keep getting banned.

    3. Try to limit the use of permanent bans. We feel that MOST users are ultimately redeemable, and that we should never decide someome is unredeemable because they've accumulated infractions. The decision to ban someone forever should be a conscious one by the staff.

    As a result, starting soon, we will implement the following changes to our infraction and ban system.

    1. All severe infractions will be abolished.
    2. The current scale of how many infraction points result in bans (10-20-30-40-50) will be replaced by a new one: 10-15-20-25-30
    3. The current scale of ban lenghts (2 days, then 10 days, then a month, then four month, then permanent) will become 3 days, then 10 days, then a month, then two months, then six months)
    4. Permanent bans will be moved at 1000 points or so, pretty much requiring that you actually get a 1000 point infractions to ban you that long.

    The result being:

    10 infraction points: three days banned
    15 infraction points: ten days banned
    20 infraction points: one month banned
    25 infraction points: two months banned
    30 infraction points: six months banned
    1000 infraction points: banned forever.

    Of course, we'll be revising the cases of members whose point total are already very high (20+) to try and determine whether they really deserve to be nearly banned, or whether we should lower their infraction count to fit the new system.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mintaka and Hurristat
    He's an evil director / He'll give out infractions / Do something wrong / And he takes direct actions
    Then what'll he do?/ He'll permaban you / You find your name slashed / With a message, 'Adieu'
    Sooooo...watch out!
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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    Will any perma-banned users be unbanned?
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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    It's unlikely as unbanning perma-banned user would be a hassle - I don't know if you guys realize how many spambots we'd have to go through to find the permabanned users who probably could stand to have a second chance.

    More to the point, even if we did it AT MOST a currently permabanned user might have their ban reduced to six months. We're not going to just unban them. And in some cases there are regular users who deserves their permanent bans.

    EDIT: Just to be clear: we have no plans to reduce bans. As I said in the first paragraph, no one wants to go through the list of banned user trying to decide who to ban or unban.

    EDIT TO THE EDIT: the bans I discussed in this thread: On certain recent bans are not getting lifted, since I hear there is some mistaken belief to that effect. These bans come under the heading of "deserved".
    Last edited by Evil Figment; 16th August 2011 at 02:25 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mintaka and Hurristat
    He's an evil director / He'll give out infractions / Do something wrong / And he takes direct actions
    Then what'll he do?/ He'll permaban you / You find your name slashed / With a message, 'Adieu'
    Sooooo...watch out!
    "It is said that the federal government, if it was in charge of the Sahara, would run out of sand in five years. Private enterprise, being more efficient, would do it in half the time - and they'd make money off the bridges." - me.
    "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world." - Jack Layton's last letter. Rest in peace, Jack.

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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    1000 points is pretty much impossible to reach. I think it should be lower unless there's any rule that gives you it

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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    It's supposed to be impossible to reach unless you get an actual 1000 points infraction, like "being a spambot" or "Posting here just to troll/post porn/whatever".
    Quote Originally Posted by Mintaka and Hurristat
    He's an evil director / He'll give out infractions / Do something wrong / And he takes direct actions
    Then what'll he do?/ He'll permaban you / You find your name slashed / With a message, 'Adieu'
    Sooooo...watch out!
    "It is said that the federal government, if it was in charge of the Sahara, would run out of sand in five years. Private enterprise, being more efficient, would do it in half the time - and they'd make money off the bridges." - me.
    "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world." - Jack Layton's last letter. Rest in peace, Jack.

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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    1,000 seems a bit too much. Has there ever been an a member who has had 1,000 infractions before? I can't see someone having that much.

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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    Quote Originally Posted by VibravaRules View Post
    1,000 seems a bit too much. Has there ever been an a member who has had 1,000 infractions before? I can't see someone having that much.
    I already pointed that and Evil Figment said it's suppose to be impossible unless you get an actual 1000 points infraction, like "being a spambot" or "Posting here just to troll/post porn/whatever" (<copied and pasted)

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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    Quote Originally Posted by MuffinPaula View Post
    I already pointed that and Evil Figment said it's suppose to be impossible unless you get an actual 1000 points infraction, like "being a spambot" or "Posting here just to troll/post porn/whatever" (<copied and pasted)
    Alright got it. Forgot to read the the comments section.

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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    The purpose of that is essentially so no one gets a permanent ban simply through the accumulation of infraction points, and instead that's something restricted to us actually making a concious decision to impose a permanent ban on them.
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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    Does Expired Infractions count toward this?
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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    No, expired infractions do not count towards your total.
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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    I have a 10point infraction (expires October, I got banned on that one).

    Would I be banned or would the infraction be abolished?

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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    Neither. The system will not re-ban people when we change infraction levels if they're over that level. You'll still have the infraction and it'll expire as scheduled, but you won't get re-banned.
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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    I don't like it in increments of 5. You come back from a 3 day ban, make a mistake then get banned for 10 more days. I also think infractions take too long to expire. Infractions make me afraid to post anything. I'm very paranoid. I try to stay on topic and follow the rules as best as I can, but I screw up somewhere and get slammed with an infraction.
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    Default Re: Upcoming infraction system reform

    If you've just been infracted twice - which you'd need to to be banned three days...at some point you should have learned to avoid mistakes.

    The truth is, we WANT people who have 10 points to their records to be on their toe. To read the rules and do their best to follow them. Now, you can still make honest mistake, and if you feel you ended up getting banned over one, we'll be making an email address available for complaints of that sort. But 10 points seems often to encourage people to not care about the rules and think they can afford to get another infraction.

    That's not acceptable. Second chances are fine. Tenth chances, not so much.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mintaka and Hurristat
    He's an evil director / He'll give out infractions / Do something wrong / And he takes direct actions
    Then what'll he do?/ He'll permaban you / You find your name slashed / With a message, 'Adieu'
    Sooooo...watch out!
    "It is said that the federal government, if it was in charge of the Sahara, would run out of sand in five years. Private enterprise, being more efficient, would do it in half the time - and they'd make money off the bridges." - me.
    "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world." - Jack Layton's last letter. Rest in peace, Jack.

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