Thread: Striving for Equality

I was beginning to wonder when this announcement would happen, and if it ever would. My job in News of the World just got a bit easier, methinks.

Originally Posted by PkmnYellow

+1 lawful good for Bulbagarden staff. You're getting there, guys. =)

No! I'll always be chaotic neutral! *hiss*

Originally Posted by Caitlin

I was beginning to wonder when this announcement would happen, and if it ever would. My job in News of the World just got a bit easier, methinks.

Originally Posted by PkmnYellow

+1 lawful good for Bulbagarden staff. You're getting there, guys. =)

No! I'll always be chaotic neutral! *hiss*

Lol no. Nice try. Though I'm not sure if I'll classify you as lawful good. You'll have to wait for my next blog ;)

It's really nice to see a website/forum outright prevent discrimination. It gives people comfort that they can be themselves and not worry about being attacked for what gender they like, or what gender they are/feel.

I'm definitely chaotic good (or evil depending on how you think of me).

But I've already spoken about my take on this.

For those who didn't see, I'll quote myself.

This is a moral stance we (meaning the staff of this site) have chosen to take. We want all users to be able to use the site freely without being made to feel unwelcome. Please bear in mind also that users may still use Nico’s Bus to debate this kind of thing if they are that keen to.

And as this is a private website (which means that freedom of speech laws do not apply), it is fully within our right to make such a rule on the forums.

It's 2012. It's time for people to realize that there are certain human rights that are to be respected. And quite frankly, there shouldn't even be a debate on this subject.

I applaud this. Everyone shoud be able to use this site and be themselves without fear of discrimination or harassment.

I didn't even know this was a big deal on Bulba. I guess it has to do with me never caring much about others preferences.

But reading though the list of changes, I think the debate needs to be clarified a little but more. To me it sounds like your allowed to voice your opinion on the thread, you'll be hated for it but you still can say it. Where is the line in the sand before it becomes an infraction or worse. I have an infraction for asking if someone was on drugs for liking justin beibers music (I meant it jokingly), but most likely the person posting anti-LGBTQ things is going to be much worse, not always but I can imagine it happening.

Originally Posted by Hide in Plain Sight

I'm definitely chaotic good (or evil depending on how you think of me).

If that's what you think, then my blog will definitely get some interesting responses =)

Originally Posted by tyler212

But reading though the list of changes, I think the debate needs to be clarified a little but more. To me it sounds like your allowed to voice your opinion on the thread, you'll be hated for it but you still can say it. Where is the line in the sand before it becomes an infraction or worse. I have an infraction for asking if someone was on drugs for liking justin beibers music (I meant it jokingly), but most likely the person posting anti-LGBTQ things is going to be much worse, not always but I can imagine it happening.

I'm not staff, but I think the OP in this thread is fairly unambiguous about this:

Anti-gay opinions of any kind will not be allowed outside of the Campaign Bus. What makes this difference from the original policy is basically that they're not going to try to make a distinction between "YOUR a fag!!111!!!11" and "well I just don't know if I think homosexuals are morally right or should be allowed to get married *innocent look*" All of that stuff is unnecessary and will be infracted. You don't have to ask where the line will be drawn because it's already been pretty clearly drawn.

For those of us with access to the Bus, the OP also said that details for the new rules for that forum will be posted there.

Originally Posted by Evil Figment

This rule is not up for debate, Ultra Pidgeot.

We've been considering this issue for a long time - the idea was first proposed back in October 2011. It is not a product of "not thinking about it" - it's the product of a long, and sometime difficult reflection for many of us.

The decision is now made. The new policy is out.

I should have been more clear, apologies. I do not mean I intend to debate the rule in an attempt to get it removed. I am just debating the merits and implications of the rule.

Originally Posted by Ultra Pidgeot

I should have been more clear, apologies. I do not mean I intend to debate the rule in an attempt to get it removed. I am just debating the merits and implications of the rule.

What part of "the rule is not up for debate" are you missing here?

Originally Posted by Bikini Miltank

Originally Posted by Ultra Pidgeot

I should have been more clear, apologies. I do not mean I intend to debate the rule in an attempt to get it removed. I am just debating the merits and implications of the rule.

What part of "the rule is not up for debate" are you missing here?

Fine. Then if that is the case we (or at least I) are just debating what equality is.

This rule is something that really makes me proud to be staff member on this site and I applause the staff for voicing their support for LGBTQ users and people.

Originally Posted by Ultra Pidgeot

Fine. Then if that is the case we (or at least I) are just debating what equality is.

This is not a debate thread. Period. If you want to create a general debate about whether or not laws prohibiting racism, homophobia, religious intolerance and such should be made in the name of equality or if they should exist at all, you can do so in Nicoleta's Bus. If you're not already allowed in Nicoleta's Bus, send @Nicoleta01; a pm asking her to be part of it. But, I think we've made it clear that the rule itself was not up for debate and it is expected for all users to comply to it.

Originally Posted by Hellion

This rule is something that really makes me proud to be staff member on this site and I applause the staff for voicing their support for LGBTQ users and people.

Originally Posted by Ultra Pidgeot

Fine. Then if that is the case we (or at least I) are just debating what equality is.

This is not a debate thread. Period. If you want to create a general debate about whether or not laws prohibiting racism, homophobia, religious intolerance and such should be made in the name of equality or if they should exist at all, you can do so in Nicoleta's Bus. If you're not already allowed in Nicoleta's Bus, send @Nicoleta01; a pm asking her to be part of it. But, I think we've made it clear that the rule itself was not up for debate and it is expected for all users to comply to it.

I made a thread in the Campaign Bus about equality. It was promptly locked.

Lastly, I do intend to comply with the rule.

Originally Posted by Ultra Pidgeot

I made a thread in the Campaign Bus about equality. It was promptly locked.

Originally Posted by Ultra Pidgeot

EDIT - Also, let's keep in mind that this is NOT to debate whether homosexuality is wrong or not. It is to debate the merits of the rule.

Nope.

Do feel free to make an actual thread about equality there.

Originally Posted by Iteru

Originally Posted by Ultra Pidgeot

I made a thread in the Campaign Bus about equality. It was promptly locked.

Originally Posted by Ultra Pidgeot

EDIT - Also, let's keep in mind that this is NOT to debate whether homosexuality is wrong or not. It is to debate the merits of the rule.

Nope.

Do feel free to make an actual thread about equality there.

Yes, in retrospect, I shouldn't have thrown in the bit about the rule at the end. C'est la vie.