VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

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  • He had good intentions, but was misguided

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    Default VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    Welcome to the second installment in the Video Games Forum's new weekly series of polls!

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    With that out of the way, here is the poll: Did you agree with N's ideals? Did you feel he was doing the right thing in liberating Pokemon; that he had good intentions, but was misguided; or that he was totally wrong in what he was trying to do?

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    Default Re: VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    His heart was in the right place, but he took them to the extreme, and since he's never contacted his own kind because he was raised by Pokemon, it led to his hatred on the human race for using Pokemon.

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    I think N's thoughts were in the right place. He obviously cared for Pokemon and wanted the best for them, but was misguided and was going about it in the wrong way.
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    Default Re: VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    I think he was simply misguided. Even though he was way wrong for trying to liberate pokemon, you can't help but feel for the guy.
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    Default Re: VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    He is compelling, but difficult to agree with for being just a bit too extremist. And even he realizes he was wrong in the end.
    N was an anti-villain and a tragic example of how dangerous innocence is, so that one girl put it.

    Purposely misled by Ghetsis to believing humans abused their Pokémon, he really believed the only way to stop it is to separate them. As he (and we) later learn, he never would've gotten his wish anyway, as his father had darker motives.

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    Default Re: VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    N had good intentions, but in the end, he was simply used as a tool by his own father.

    Though, I would think that he'd have to be seriously brainwashed in order to believe that all trainers were PKMN abusers. And even then, if I remember correctly, he found Hilbert/Hilda to be a person with good intentions. So there was still a part of him that was uncorrupted.

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    Default Re: VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    He was wrong. I find it difficult to agree with him when all the previous games have drilled the belief that Pokemon and Humans are friends into me.

    Some people use the Stolkholm Syndrome arguement to explain the affection Trainer's Pokemon have for their trainers(or captors) but the thought that every single Pokemon caught by Trainers has that Syndrome is ridiculous.

    All the games have repeatedly said that both poeple and Pokemon grow and learn from each other.

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    Default Re: VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    He was wrong. Pokemon are meant to be tools for trainers. You use them for whatever you want. 'Nuff said.

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    Uh, no, Baron. ._. Pokemon are meant to be your PARTNERS/FRIENDS. Using Pokemon as "tools"...isn't that why we stopped Team Rocket. What you said only helped prove N's point even more.

    Now, in this world, indeed, you do whatever you wish with your Pokemon. But in-game, in-story, it's clear that humans and Pokemon work together. Like we've seen in the anime, another side of the Pokemon world, if a Pokemon wishes to pursue another career (ping pong Ambipom anyone?), any decent trainer would allow them to do what they wished. Only douches like Silver or Paul would be mean to their Pokemon and possibly force them to do stuff against their wishes.

    I was prepared to say that N was misguided, but what Baron just said makes me feel a little annoyed, and more inclined to think he might be right in some ways. Over a video game, I know...but...but man. How can you say something like that? D8; People like that have no business training Pokemon if they only see them as tools to do whatever they wish with. They're not tools or anything like that; they're supposed to be your friends, randomly-generated pieces of data or not. ._.

    Ah...man. N may be right about some people. >> But overall, he was indeed misguided. Well as his intentions were, he should have thought more carefully before trying to forcefully separate humans and Pokemon.

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    Default Re: VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    considering N was brainwashed into thinking these things by Ghetsis, I think we can immediately assume N's "ideals" were only ploys to get Ghetsis further towards his goal (Although N didn't know, clearly).

    as for the ideals themselves? No. The relationship between trainers and Pokemon is long established, and it's a working solution. Releasing all of the overleveled Pokemon trainers carry would only create havoc into the Ecosystem already established. Imagine, if you will, a Group of Ninetails spreading drought throughout Unova. A Group of Politoed, flooding populated areas, creating Mudslides and Floods.

    Trainer's Pokemon are significantly stronger than wild. if they were to be released, hell would break loose.

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    I kinda think that N had the right ideas, but he was brought up in a twisted reality. So yeah, I would agree if Unova was as he percieved, but given the status of the real Unova, nope.

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    Default Re: VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    N's ideology was understandable, but the way he executed his ideas was pretty bad. His ideas do make sense in the reality he was forced into, though, and N wasn't truly evil.
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    Default Re: VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    N honestly thought that what he was doing was right. I honestly thought that N was batshit insane, but his innocence and messed up childhood, made him think what he was doing would help, not knowing the consequences. That's why I voted that he good intentions, but was misguided.

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    Default Re: VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    Yes, he had some valid points.

    However, punishing everyone for the misdeeds of a small number of people never usually works out very well. >_>

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    Default Re: VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

    Yay my idea was used *jumps up and down like an excited little girl"

    Anyways, I'll be honest, when I was playing through Pokémon White, I found myself agreeing with N's ideals. This was also helped by Cheren and Alder's opinions being so typical of a Pokémon series - "Pokémon are friends gurdurr!". Obviously, N did take the ideals a bit far with the whole Team Plasma thing, but his ideals by themselves were justified - it was something we fans had joked about for a decade and a half before.

    N is without a doubt, Pokémon's best antagonist.

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