Thread: Underwater Ruins deciphered

Originally Posted by YWtheLucida

But the stone originally was there, but some archeologists or something moved it to Nacrene museum. Relic castle does have a rather mystic connection with the dragons and twins.

The Relic Castle has no real mystery to it; if anything, the Dragonspiral Tower is somewhat puzzling due to the mention of one of the dragons having been born there.

No. Just... No.

I'm glad to see that you have an open mind.

If it's Hilbert then what are those 'waves' he saved evryone from?

'Waves' may simply be a metaphor for the possibility of Unova being turned into a black and white world, which in turn is a metaphor for Pokémon and humans being kept apart. If actual waves were involved, wouldn't it be terribly ironic that the Abyssal Ruins are underwater?

and evrything except one sentence is written in past tense which doesn't fit into a prophercy at all,

Most of the sentences are written in the present tense. If your point is that a prophecy has to be written in the future tense, this is simply a misconception.

and I don't remember my character being connected to prime numbers since I do not have Reshiram.

Truth and dreams (ideals) are both mentioned, so that's a moot point. It's not as if Hilbert is connected to only one of these elements, even if he only awakened one of the dragons.

The only things that would support this theory are that King defeated X and Y joined him, that it's vice versa in the games and the only sentence written in present; "King is hope and future."

These two sentences stand out from the rest to me. Why would an ancient king be tied to the dragons interchangeably? Why would he have anything to do with the future? Kyurem could be related to the future, but that theory has its own share of problems, and it certainly doesn't explain the lack of symmetry between Reshiram and Zekrom, much less their supposedly being separate before the twin heroes came along.

Also, what about us girl who plays? I'd get kind of annoyed at Game Freak if they actually made it that way. Seriously, they could've made it smarter if that was the case, like changing "King" to "Queen" if you chose to play as a girl.

You say this as if Game Freak didn't already prioritize Red over Leaf. Yes, you could argue that neither Red nor Leaf is the player character of HGSS, but the fact remains that everyone knows that Red is supposed to be the canon Kanto Champion. In fact, we had a very good feeling that was the case even when we played FRLG, due to Generation II. I'd venture that not many people who played as Lyra in HGSS really believed that Giovanni found her physically similar to Red, either. In contrast, most players don't bother contemplating the meaning of the Abyssal Ruins, so hardly anyone is going to be offended by the possibility that Hilda may not be the canon protagonist.

There's a black suit man outside Relic castle (atleast in my White) saying...

You don't have to provide the exact same quote three times.

[QUOTE=YWtheLucida;2953623]I strongly doubt it means food and for a.. well not child game but you get what I mean, I doubt Game Freak would tell us they ate pokémon and even less that it'd be okay.

Um... as I said earlier, Diamond Pearl ad Platinum strongly promote eating Pokémon, as they say that if you pick the bones clean and then send it down a river, it will become a new Pokémon (if you're wondering where they say that, it's the Canalave Library).

I'd have to strongly agree with the Relic Castle connection:

- Stated to be the heart of civilization in Unova in ancient times.

- The Light/Dark Stone is found there.

Its completely logical that the heroes of Unova resided in the Ancient Castle or at least established it at some point in time.

It likely has ties to the Abyssal Ruins as well.

Has Anyone Come Up With A Cipher For This?

Decoding The First Floor Is Easy Its Just Replacing The Alphabet Letter To The Corresponding Symbol. Like T=% , W=//// So On And So Forth

Its Also Read From Bottom Right To Top Left Like In Original Cuneiform.

But I Cant Figure Out How To Decode The 2nd 3rd And 4th Floors Their All Different. And It Would Be Helpful To Know How To Decode Everything To Get A Better Picture And Context, Rather Than Guess What Symbol 3,4,5, and 6 is.

Just Having The Translation Isnt Cutting It

Originally Posted by LatiosMaster

Has Anyone Come Up With A Cipher For This?

Decoding The First Floor Is Easy Its Just Replacing The Alphabet Letter To The Corresponding Symbol. Like T=% , W=//// So On And So Forth

Its Also Read From Bottom Right To Top Left Like In Original Cuneiform.

But I Cant Figure Out How To Decode The 2nd 3rd And 4th Floors Their All Different. And It Would Be Helpful To Know How To Decode Everything To Get A Better Picture And Context, Rather Than Guess What Symbol 3,4,5, and 6 is.

Just Having The Translation Isnt Cutting It

Well, you could just decode it yourself. The link on the first post is what I used to decode it.

Since I lent the note card I wrote the alphabet down on to a friend, I don't have the total information. But this is what I still have on my notes: I actually didn't need the handy note card. Huh.

FIRST FLOOR:
A = not-equals sign
B = sun pointing down
C = three squiggles
D = triangle
E = arc with the dot in the center
F = Game Freak logo
G = u inside a U
H = diamond
I = I with the line in the middle
J = snake
K = chicken foot
L = the two sideways e's
M = swirl
N = the starburst (made out of v's)
O = four circles descending diagonally
P = X with the arrow up
Q = big block
R = sun
S = V
T = %
U = fire/leaf/thing with 3 prongs
V = coin
W = ////
X = target
Y = explosion
Z = (???)

The second floor A is the same as the first floor B, B is C, C is D....all the way to Z is A. The pattern continues on each floor, with each symbol shifting to the left.

There is no symbol for Z. There is no Z on the first floor, no Y on the second floor, no X on the third floor, and no W on the fourth floor. The letter is a mystery.

There are also four symbols which have no letter meaning.

Wow, that actually didn't take as long as I thought it would. Now the world has a direct translation.

Oh, and for what it's worth (aka nothing) the flash block says "Shine if agreed" and the strength block says "Act strong if agreed."

Interesting... I think it's a prophecy thing. Of course, it could just be some random poem or whatever.

Really interesting. Where do the Musketeers, more specifically water-horsey?
Furthermore, how about the Normal/Psychic type?
Cresecllia received no attention in the DPPt anime, and very little in the games, where as Darkrai was a very prominent figure. I am pointing this out because if one of the aforementiond BW legends were involved, what would the involvement be?

OMG THEORY: Water horse is one of the toy's in N's room, which we can re-access. Then it would fit into this legend, but thats just speculation.
Awesome, intelligent thread.

To me symbol three looks like a temple or a castle of some kind. Four reminds me of a reunion (it looks like a bird's eye view of someone hugging another). Number five looks like some sort of torpedo (the line symbolizing spinning). Six looks like a man holding some sort of herding cane (if you look closely, the second loop doesn't touch the circle like the other loop) carrying something on his back. Perhaps these symbols were meant for us not to be able to translate easily, and therefore singling out a few pictures that might make a linear prophecy of some kind?

To me, it looks like it should be a story.

There was a great king who lived in a magnificent castle. A neighboring kingdom made an alliance with him. The alliance was false, and war broke out. In the midst of battle, a hero rose to end the fighting.

I have a really weird theory, mainly because the Ruins are near the Abundant Shrine where you can obtain Landorus.
I believe that Landorus submerged the now-ruins because the civilization that lived there, which I call Kyosia, were stealing crops from the former village I call Laniopa. Over the course of 500 years, Laniopa became half the village it used to be. Laniopa's ruler, who was Landorus's trainer, comanded Landorus to destroy the city that destroyed theirs.
There, at this time, was no ocean near Kyosia, so after Landorus lowered the city down, he called for Tornadus and Thundurus, whom he had sealed away, and made a deal with them. If they made a storm large enough to cover Kyosia with water, Landorus would allow them to roam free again. They agreed, and slowly covered the former thriving city with rainwater.
Forseeing what was to come, Kyosia's king, (whom was Kyurem's master), told Kyurem to fly the townspeople away 3 at a time before the city became completely submerged. After 10 trips, the storm was too great for Kyurem to fly through. The remaining 40 townspeople knew they wouldn't survive, and used their last breaths to carve odd symbols onto the walls in honor of the man who attempted and somewhat succeded to save Kyosia.
Kyurem led the 30 survivors to Lacunosa Town. Since Kyurem was still weak from saving those people's lives, it went into a great slumber inside the Great Chasm, where it was eventually forgotten and turned into folklore.
But as for Laniopa, Thundurus and Tornadus returned to the town to exact revenge on Kandorus for previously sealing them away. The town was destroyed, and Landorus fled.
At least that's my very long-winded theory. Does it make much sense?

... Wow. Just wow. I am completely blown away. But it's interesting to read...

I would actually die of laughter if this all turned out to mean nothing and it was just a cryptic way to get fans talking.
I've read through all eight pages and there are so many theories all of which are very interesting to read. It's all very cool and i'm glad someone made a translation, thanks a lot.
When i read about the crown perhaps being important i got really worried, i sold my crown without even reading what the guy said - i didn't even have enough money to get my pokemon out of the daycare. But i'm relieved to learn it will be in the third version. I am also very intrigued about it and reading this thread has made my determined to buy it.

Originally Posted by Mushu2357

When i read about the crown perhaps being important i got really worried, i sold my crown without even reading what the guy said - i didn't even have enough money to get my pokemon out of the daycare. But i'm relieved to learn it will be in the third version. I am also very intrigued about it and reading this thread has made my determined to buy it.

But the man doesn't really say anything that would make you want to keep the crown; he just gives the player the option to keep it. I doubt Game Freak would have us regret selling the item, and a third version would just mean having to go through the same quest again.

Wow, and here all this time, I thought the ruins were just an excuse to pick up extra cash.

Forget an excuse for cash, I don't even want to go there again. D8; No-one told me that something chases you inside the temple and kicks you out after a while! I was seriously freaked out and expected a shadow in the corner of the screen! Forget the ruins, I want to know who is making those noises and kicking people out! OTL

Originally Posted by Rosamei

I have a really weird theory, mainly because the Ruins are near the Abundant Shrine where you can obtain Landorus.
I believe that Landorus submerged the now-ruins because the civilization that lived there, which I call Kyosia, were stealing crops from the former village I call Laniopa. Over the course of 500 years, Laniopa became half the village it used to be. Laniopa's ruler, who was Landorus's trainer, comanded Landorus to destroy the city that destroyed theirs.
There, at this time, was no ocean near Kyosia, so after Landorus lowered the city down, he called for Tornadus and Thundurus, whom he had sealed away, and made a deal with them. If they made a storm large enough to cover Kyosia with water, Landorus would allow them to roam free again. They agreed, and slowly covered the former thriving city with rainwater.
Forseeing what was to come, Kyosia's king, (whom was Kyurem's master), told Kyurem to fly the townspeople away 3 at a time before the city became completely submerged. After 10 trips, the storm was too great for Kyurem to fly through. The remaining 40 townspeople knew they wouldn't survive, and used their last breaths to carve odd symbols onto the walls in honor of the man who attempted and somewhat succeded to save Kyosia.
Kyurem led the 30 survivors to Lacunosa Town. Since Kyurem was still weak from saving those people's lives, it went into a great slumber inside the Great Chasm, where it was eventually forgotten and turned into folklore.
But as for Laniopa, Thundurus and Tornadus returned to the town to exact revenge on Kandorus for previously sealing them away. The town was destroyed, and Landorus fled.
At least that's my very long-winded theory. Does it make much sense?

Nice story, but theres one big problem...

Even in his weakened state, Kyurem should be able to thrash the holy hell out of the Kami Trio. I doubt they'd have anything to worry about. Especially since all 3 are Ice weak.

I believe that the ruins, dragon spiral tower, and relic castle are all connected and once held a mighty and ancient civilization. (Like a Pokemon version of Atlantis even)

All 3 will probably play a very strong role in the 3rd version.