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    HERE I WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEND THEY WILL MAKE TO THE VILLANS STEAL ENGERY FROM ZEKROM AN RESHERIM AND THE MERGE IT TOGETHER TO THE POKEMON THAT RESHRIEM AND ZEKROM CAME FROM

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    YAY someone who finally decoded it!!! I sat with it for hours and tried to break it, thank arceus I didn't sit any longer..
    Anyways.

    I have several theories, the first one is that Kyurem is the "King".
    Something looks obviously wrong with it, it doesn't have the typical generator tail like its siblings and like someone said before, it looks sick/deformed/old/ripped apart.
    The question is why?
    Well, it could be...
    a) A meteorite was falling down at Isshu but Kyurem knocked it off a bit so it fell down in the outskirts (Giant chasm) and therefore it saved evryone from waves (tsunamis or pure power waves from the hit), though Kyurem got seriously injured of it.
    b) The abyssal ruins is made by pokémon, when 'Zekram' splitted into two and fighted with eachother numberous disasters followed, like fires, waves and you name it, Kyurem might have saved the pokémon from waves and got help from the musketeers (whom distrust humans in their legend due to humans misbehaves/wars).
    c) In this theory Kyurem could be the 'harmony form' (aka 'zekram'), being both reshiram and zekrom. Reshiram is the pokémon of truth whilst Zekrom is for ideals if you remember...

    "Reshiram, who will awake from the Light Stone, and the already-awakened Zekrom were originally one Pokémon. ...That one dragon Pokémon made a new land together with twin heroes. And people and Pokémon lived their days happily!

    But one day... The older of the two heroes sought the truth, and the younger sought the ideal. A dividing struggle began to decide who was right... The single dragon that had walked with the twins was also split into two to support both...

    A dark dragon that searched through the new, hopeful world for its ideal... Its name was Zekrom.
    And another... A light dragon that searched through the world of the past for the truth... Its name was Reshiram." <-Pokémon Black

    In the abyssal ruins, 'King' possesses both ideals (dreams, adventure etc) and truth (primes..? o_o).
    Reshiram is a prime number pokémon in both Isshu and National pokédex(No 149 and 641). (Kyurem is not)

    Also, about those corners, just look at the first floor map of Abyssal ruins, seriously? those "corners" are when the way split in two, then at the 2,3,5 and 7 'way split' you turn in relation to what direction you just were walking in, and you will end up in about the center of the labyrinth (way up to next floor) regardless of what enterance you go from.

    About Zekrom and ideals I'm not sure, but I guess "King" showed evryone his ideals by saving evryone from the waves..

    About the tales from the town near Giant chasm, who says Kyurem EATS people!? In their tale say it's a monster in a hole up north(obviously kyurem) and people/pokémon disappear, but I can't imagine Kyurem eating pokémon nor people. The old grandma says no one beleives in stories nowadays, which is a lot different than that they don't beleive in the story, especially since evryone is sure to be indoors at night.

    About waves, water and all, The bridge village overflooded, well let's say atleast 2~300 years ago, maybe Kyurem saw the meteorite long before it should have landed, and it took like 2700 years to stop it, and the people at that time dedicated a temple to its honor!?...okay maybe not.

    I've also considered that maybe you will time travel in Grey? How cool wouldn't it be, seeing relic castle, abyssal ruins and dragonspiral tower in their former states?
    I beleive Black version is 'the real story' even though I got white.
    Reshiram fits perfectly into the warm, fire-dedicated relic castle in the present desert along with the übercute volcarona.
    Zekrom totally fits into the damp climate up north at dragonspiral tower...
    ..and then Kyurem at Abyssal Ruins!

    Anyways, I'll go more on-topic again since I gradually went off.. Hihi this is so fun Cx
    My first thought of Abyssal ruins were "WATER LEGEND POKÉMON!?" but then I reminded myself that Keldeo is the only one, and not being a big enough of a character to get a labyrinth temple.

    Oh by the way, I find it a funny coincidence that Abyssal ruins is a labyrinth going towards the center and UP, likewise Giant chasm and Kyurem.
    Maybe Kyurem will have another form that is Dragon/Water? Not likely, but still.. water.. I just wanted to say it. I have a lot to say u_u

    ONE LAST THING OKAY!?
    Someone talked about the different energies, fire, electrical being two of them whilst cold definitly not is one.
    Then, there actually IS a sentence saying
    "King's light shines."
    Light energy. Wait, LIGHT!? The toxicated Light type discussion- yes, what if Kyurem actually is Light/dragon? No, Probably not... I asume that sentence is about 'Zekram' that would be both fire/electric in some weird way and both of the two spread a nice light... but kyurem has yellow markings! what if?

    Aaaand sorry for my behaviour of striking things, I just think this thing is so exciting.
    EDIT: This turned into an essay o_o'

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    I think the term all is used too much to actually mean "all". Maybe it's referring to something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YWtheLucida View Post
    a) A meteorite was falling down at Isshu but Kyurem knocked it off a bit so it fell down in the outskirts (Giant chasm) and therefore it saved evryone from waves (tsunamis or pure power waves from the hit), though Kyurem got seriously injured of it.
    This gave me an idea. Maybe Kyurem looks broken because it represents the broken relationship or husk of a relationship between the dragons.
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    Oh, I noticed two more things.
    Someone mentioned the ancient crown was looking like N's crown, and if you look at those relic statues and the appearance of N in the intro... Bingo! I do not think N is the king, but I think N stole King's concept+look, maybe without even knowing it. The statues don't have N's fluffy pretty hair either, so it's not N.

    Also, maybe not a big/relevant thing but the dragon trio all possesses one of the basic colors each (Blue, red yellow) along with the black, white and grey..

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    Quote Originally Posted by YWtheLucida View Post
    Oh, I noticed two more things.
    Someone mentioned the ancient crown was looking like N's crown
    Thanks for noticing!

    Also, I have a different theory than that Kyurem is the King (wait, King and Kyurem start with the same letter). It's that Kyurem was the husk (yes, it starts with an already posted theory) of the original dragon, and that the force of splitting caused it to soar into space, (and it found shelter inside of a meteor) then fell back to earth. The shockwave forced waves upon the Abyssal Castle, which then was completely submerged.

    Do you think that the Musketeer trio could be involved somehow with the Abyssal Ruins?

    The third paragraph in the texts seem to say that eating Pokémon is okay, just like the Sinnoh myths say, but the two regions are incredibly far apart! And Johto and Kanto don't justify eating Pokémon, so Unova and Sinnoh must have communicated sometime in the distant past. Speaking of which, where did N go? Didn't they say that he went to a distant region? Perhaps the region that they communicated with a long time ago.
    I know this isn't the place, but you can't find the God Stone anywhere, and maybe Arceus is summoned from it. Or to bring us back to place, Kyurem, the original Dragon/King/God.

    Also, today when I was playing with my Pokémon toys (yes, I still play with Pokémon toys), I noticed that Moltres and Reshiram are Fire, Zapdos and Zekrom are Electric, and Articuno and Kyurem are Ice. This is probably just a tribute to the original games, or it could have some deep Unova/Kanto connection.

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    Does 'Primes' remind anyone else of N? I mean, it's doubtful that these refer to N, but it's an interesting connection.

    Closer back on topic, I noticed something interesting while trying my hand at decoding these. While the symbols that represent each letter DO change every floor, there's a pattern. The sun pointing down is 'B' on floor 1, and 'A' on floor 2. Likewise, C is B, D is C, so on and so forth. The same thing happens on floors 3 and 4. But why would Game Freak do that? It seems like they didn't want this to be decoded easily...

    In case anyone was wondering, I play black version and (4) joined King in a day, while King defeated (3) alone.

    I doubt the king is Kyurem, only because the king sounds so human in these passages. And while Pokemon may have been revered in the past, I doubt they would be referred to as "King." And we barely hear of Pokemon befriending humans (or other Pokemon)--it's normally the other way around.

    Now that I'm looking at it closer, it almost seems that the king was the first one to recognize Pokemon as (sentient?) beings. You know, rather than seeing them as tools to get jobs done. "King called [fish with a hook in it] beings." I think we can agree on the fact that the fish means Pokemon; the fact it has a hook in it was probably a source of food. This is furthered by the line "Eating is receiving life." If the king thought Pokemon were like humans, I would think he would try and limit the whole Pokemon-eating bit ("All is precious," "Do not be barbaric," "One must not waste"). King also has a dream and accepts all, and fought hatred.

    Now, this is wild guessing on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised if we soon learn how the human/Pokemon relationship came to be. Ever so slowly, the games and anime are sending us further back in time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YWtheLucida View Post
    Oh, I noticed two more things.
    Someone mentioned the ancient crown was looking like N's crown, and if you look at those relic statues and the appearance of N in the intro... Bingo! I do not think N is the king, but I think N stole King's concept+look, maybe without even knowing it. The statues don't have N's fluffy pretty hair either, so it's not N.
    If these two crowns have a relation maybe it means that each founder brother had their own crown and one of these crowns had been lost in the Ruins. The NPC telling you to keep the crown may have done so because he knows that the crown belongs to you as if you were a descendant of that brother, though how in hell would he know about such a lineage that probably has many links missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntMedin View Post
    If these two crowns have a relation maybe it means that each founder brother had their own crown and one of these crowns had been lost in the Ruins. The NPC telling you to keep the crown may have done so because he knows that the crown belongs to you as if you were a descendant of that brother, though how in hell would he know about such a lineage that probably has many links missing?
    Well, the NPC who's buying the crown doesn't really tell you to keep it.. If you talk to him with the crown in your bag he'll exactly say:

    "Actually, it's...
    It's a rare treasure, Relic Crown!
    I was told it was at the innermost part
    of the Abyssal Ruins!
    I think it is understandable that you
    want to treasure it, but will you sell it
    to me for P300000? Will you?"
    [YES/NO]

    If No;
    "If you ever change your mind,
    will you sell me the rare item? Will you?"

    If Yes;
    "I got a very good item!
    Don't you think it's great? Don't you?"

    I don't see him mentioned the crown is more special except that it's rare... but maybe it's as you say, probably there are more than one crown.

    Since Abyssal Ruins have a strong connect with Reshiram regarding Prime numbers and truth, I did some research.
    A girl in Icirrus behind the Pokémon center says;

    "The legendary Pokémon Reshiram
    shared its wisdom with the hero
    and defied foes with columns of fire.
    The hero and that Pokémon were as
    close as a parent and child.
    People were filled with awe and looked up
    to them, and that is said to be the
    beginning of what became ancient Unova."

    Note that I have White, so someone with Black maybe could talk to the same NPC?
    Are there any site/place yet that contain the history of Isshu detailed? I searched but evrything's just about those plain big things that evryone already knows..

    ...Is it on topic to discuss History of Isshu here btw? ^_^'

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    Quote Originally Posted by CallMeCubone View Post
    Does 'Primes' remind anyone else of N? I mean, it's doubtful that these refer to N, but it's an interesting connection.

    Closer back on topic, I noticed something interesting while trying my hand at decoding these. While the symbols that represent each letter DO change every floor, there's a pattern. The sun pointing down is 'B' on floor 1, and 'A' on floor 2. Likewise, C is B, D is C, so on and so forth. The same thing happens on floors 3 and 4. But why would Game Freak do that? It seems like they didn't want this to be decoded easily...

    In case anyone was wondering, I play black version and (4) joined King in a day, while King defeated (3) alone.

    I doubt the king is Kyurem, only because the king sounds so human in these passages. And while Pokemon may have been revered in the past, I doubt they would be referred to as "King." And we barely hear of Pokemon befriending humans (or other Pokemon)--it's normally the other way around.

    Now that I'm looking at it closer, it almost seems that the king was the first one to recognize Pokemon as (sentient?) beings. You know, rather than seeing them as tools to get jobs done. "King called [fish with a hook in it] beings." I think we can agree on the fact that the fish means Pokemon; the fact it has a hook in it was probably a source of food. This is furthered by the line "Eating is receiving life." If the king thought Pokemon were like humans, I would think he would try and limit the whole Pokemon-eating bit ("All is precious," "Do not be barbaric," "One must not waste"). King also has a dream and accepts all, and fought hatred.

    Now, this is wild guessing on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised if we soon learn how the human/Pokemon relationship came to be. Ever so slowly, the games and anime are sending us further back in time...
    Wow, that makes more sense than anything else I've heard so far about the hooked fish.

    The "Wars create tears" part would also be referring to the war that ticked off the legendary musketeers.

    What is the location of the wall that says "Here we praise king?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by YWtheLucida View Post
    Since Abyssal Ruins have a strong connect with Reshiram regarding Prime numbers and truth, I did some research.
    A girl in Icirrus behind the Pokémon center says;

    "The legendary Pokémon Reshiram
    shared its wisdom with the hero
    and defied foes with columns of fire.
    The hero and that Pokémon were as
    close as a parent and child.
    People were filled with awe and looked up
    to them, and that is said to be the
    beginning of what became ancient Unova."

    Note that I have White, so someone with Black maybe could talk to the same NPC?
    "The legendary Pokémon Zekrom
    shared its wisdom with the hero
    and defied foes with fierce lightning.
    The hero and that Pokémon were as
    close as parent and child.
    People were filled with awe and looked up
    to them, and that it said to be the
    beginning of what became ancient Unova."

    It did not change that much. :x

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    It would be odd if the king turned out to be one of the twin heroes. It might solve the problem of Reshiram and Zekrom being separate entities, but the twin heroes are acknowledged as equals in the main plot, so why would only one of them be referenced here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CallMeCubone View Post
    Does 'Primes' remind anyone else of N? I mean, it's doubtful that these refer to N, but it's an interesting connection.

    Closer back on topic, I noticed something interesting while trying my hand at decoding these. While the symbols that represent each letter DO change every floor, there's a pattern. The sun pointing down is 'B' on floor 1, and 'A' on floor 2. Likewise, C is B, D is C, so on and so forth. The same thing happens on floors 3 and 4. But why would Game Freak do that? It seems like they didn't want this to be decoded easily...
    Actually 'Primes' don't remind me of N at all, I don't see any connection between him and primes except that N has Reshiram in White.

    Though I agree with you that this is hell of a code, being read backwards and changing letters, it's way more difficult than the easy unown and braille codes. I was sick at the time of release so with lots of time I tried to decode it but I failed hard.
    In any case, Grey will hopefully become a great answer to the ruins..

    Quote Originally Posted by TorchicBlaziken View Post
    Wow, that makes more sense than anything else I've heard so far about the hooked fish.

    The "Wars create tears" part would also be referring to the war that ticked off the legendary musketeers.

    What is the location of the wall that says "Here we praise king?"
    If you enter the west enterance and enter the labyrinth, it's the closest one south, or the 14 if you look at the japanese page picture.
    I personally don't think the 'fish symbol' means anything fish-like at all, I rather think it's the musketeers or maybe just water type pokémon.
    I strongly doubt it means food and for a.. well not child game but you get what I mean, I doubt Game Freak would tell us they ate pokémon and even less that it'd be okay.

    I'd rather tie the second floors sentences to Isshus legendary pokémon as someone before me already mentioned, which'd mean
    "Eating is receiving life" would tie to Landlos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melaugh View Post
    "The legendary Pokémon Zekrom
    shared its wisdom with the hero
    and defied foes with fierce lightning.
    The hero and that Pokémon were as
    close as parent and child.
    People were filled with awe and looked up
    to them, and that it said to be the
    beginning of what became ancient Unova."

    It did not change that much. :x
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silktree View Post
    It would be odd if the king turned out to be one of the twin heroes. It might solve the problem of Reshiram and Zekrom being separate entities, but the twin heroes are acknowledged as equals in the main plot, so why would only one of them be referenced here?
    Well, isn't it contradictionary that the girl NPC I mentioned says like that if they were equal and no one won?
    Evrything doesn't add up perfectly and it's not completely convincing but atleast it proves that something's wrong somewhere.

    I do not remember completely since I beat the main game some weeks ago, but was N's dragon also awaken from a stone? and if so, where was it? and why were your own dragon a stone to begin with?

    Maybe it's actually that N's dragon's old twin hero was the king and beat the other dragon/twin hero (which you awake later on), the dragon turned into a stone and was kept by other people in the relic castle?

    Maybe the twin heroes had two 'castles' each, one being the relic castle and the other one being the abyssal ruins but the eventual script from relic castle is already gone due to archeology etc? (note that there're stone plates containing script in Nacrene museum)

    Quite a few people can get down to Abyssal ruins, a proof for that are all those items untouched for 3000 years, whilst Relic castle is so much easier to dig up.

    Well, this sure is difficult.. xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    Going from each entrance, in order, we get exactly one actual turn away from the center green thing. What is the center green thing?

    Also, where are the blue things representing items?
    is there a map for the 2nd floor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YWtheLucida View Post
    Actually 'Primes' don't remind me of N at all, I don't see any connection between him and primes except that N has Reshiram in White.
    Well, N was always going on about formulas. He just seems very math-y. And prime numbers are math-y. XD That's all.

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