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    Well, Rollout is just known by any Pokemon that has the capability of rolling into a ball. Hence Quilava learning it.

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    I'm personally confused as to why it gets Vine Whip over Razor Leaf or something. Like, where do the vines come from?
    My guess is the same place as Chikorita or Snivy: they pull them out of hammerspace.
    Well, I can understand Chikorita, but Snivy's random vines did kind of confuse me.

    3. A move of the type with Fennekin would gain on evolution, such as the speculated Psychic.
    That's what I've been thinking, too~

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    I have a very large suspicion that the move Fennekin learns at level 8 will be confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastabender View Post
    I have a very large suspicion that the move Fennekin learns at level 8 will be confusion.
    It's actually Howl. I don't see Fennekin learning Confusion until the level it evolves.

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    Default Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

    As much as I want Chespin to become a Grass/Rock type, Rollout doesn't really point towards that at all. It seems more like a reference towards a hedgehog's ability to curl up into ball, as well as coverage to help make squashing Bugs in the first gym a bit easier.

    But damn it if wouldn't be the greatest thing for Chespin to evolve into a Grass/Rock type with Head Smash, Wood Hammer and Rock Head as a hidden ability.

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    Yeah, I don't think Rollout is indicative of anything right now, other than Chespin can roll into a ball, like a hedgehog. Grass/Rock would be fine with me if it happens, however. In addition to Rollout, Chespin should learn moves like Defense Curl and Pin Missile to emphasise its spikey-hedgehogness. It could also get moves like Spikes and Steamroller, too. Also the above moves suggested by Winterdaze, along with the ability, would be amazing. Chespin is stated to have a hard head, I think? So Rock Head and Head Smash make a lot of sense.

    And I finally decided between Froakie and Chespin, and I'm going to go with Chespin. Chespin > Froakie > Fennekin. But I really like all three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky505 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pastabender View Post
    I have a very large suspicion that the move Fennekin learns at level 8 will be confusion.
    It's actually Howl. I don't see Fennekin learning Confusion until the level it evolves.
    He was saying that Fennekin probably learns a move at Lv8 like the other two, but it was instead shown with a Lv11 move. It is speculated that the Lv8 move might be a Psychic type move (in this scenario) that would hint at the evolution type, so rather than show it, they skipped it and showed it's Lv11 move (which doesn't indicate any type) instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo-Floatzel View Post
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    Chespin being dark doesn't make sense to me, given that his pokedex info talk about him having a thick helmet. That i.m.o. points on Rock/Steel being his second type. I know that a pokemon can evolve and show something different than expected, but that's always because there was an influence that made it happen, like a special rock/trade with an item, which I doubt would be the case with a "starter" Pokemon.
    I don't think that rules out Grass/Dark. That hard shell could grow to cast a shadow over its face and viola, we have a "shifty" Pokemon.
    I'm not saying I don't think Grass/Rock or Grass/Steel are unlikely. But a hard shell does not, by all means, rule out a Dark subtype. Look at Seedot.
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    I wouldn't take Pokédex entries in consideration, that thing is full of inconsistencies. That said, I hope that Chespin doesn't become Grass/Dark as well, this type combo would give it a lot of unfortunate weaknesses. Grass/Rock or Grass/Steel would be better for it.
    A Grass/Steel Chespin would be a MAJOR problem, as that would mean a double-weakness to fire (meaning more people choosing Fennekin), in fact, a steel type would give Chespin a large amount of weaknesses, it would be weak to flying, fighting, ground, and most especially fire.

    Asides from a grass/steel type, one thing I hope Chespin DOESN'T evolve into is something big and bulky, because when you look back at every Grass Starters final evolution, save for Sceptile and Serperior, they always become the largest and bulkiest of the starters, usually what fans refer to as a "tank" Pokemon, and Chespin just seems too cheeky and cute to me to be a tank type Pokemon.
    Grass resists Ground, so no, the weakness to ground would be 1x. Steel resists Flying so weakness to that also changed to 1x.

    I also don't see Chespin becoming a bulky one, but who knows what it can become...
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    I'll be fine with whatever Chespin becomes. It'd only have two weaknesses if it was Grass/Rock or Grass/Steel, but six if it was Grass/Dark. We can rule out Bug, Normal, Psychic, Poison, Ghost, Dragon, Ice, Fire, Electric, Fairy, Flying, and Water as a secondary type for it, as it doesn't look like it'd fit into any of those. That leaves Dark, Rock, Steel, Ground, and Fighting.
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    I am sorry, but why should we rule out Poison, Ghost, Flying, Fairy, Electric and even Ice? The others I understand, but I don't see why Chespin can't evolve into Grass/Poison or Grass/Fairy...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reila View Post
    I am sorry, but why should we rule out Poison, Ghost, Flying, Fairy, Electric and even Ice? The others I understand, but I don't see why Chespin can't evolve into Grass/Poison or Grass/Fairy...?
    How can you not rule out Ghost, Electric or Ice? I thought those three were the most obvious to rule out aside from Dragon of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinity Edge View Post
    I also don't see Chespin becoming a bulky one, but who knows what it can become...
    To be honest, I find unlikely that Chespin might evolve into something bulky, but then again no one predicted Tepig evolving into a sumo wrestler, the major consensus was that it would evolve into a Pokémon version of Ganon from Twilight Princess. People also predicted that Dewott would become a fast and ninja-like Water/Fighting samurai and it became an awkward sea lion in the end. I also can't see Froakie evolving into a slow and bulky Pokémon, it looks like a Water-type version of Chimcar, so I am expecting a fast evolution for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helioptile96 View Post
    How can you not rule out Ghost, Electric or Ice? I thought those three were the most obvious to rule out aside from Dragon of course
    If you say so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky505 View Post
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    I have a very large suspicion that the move Fennekin learns at level 8 will be confusion.
    It's actually Howl. I don't see Fennekin learning Confusion until the level it evolves.
    Fennekin is shown at level 11, 3 levels above the others which are at level 8, which in turn is 3 levels above the first images, at level 5. Coincidence? I think not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reila View Post
    I also can't see Froakie evolving into a slow and bulky Pokémon, it looks like a Water-type version of Chimcar, so I am expecting a fast evolution for it.
    I would absolutely love if it was an amphibian version of Infernape. Water/Fighting with good offences and speed sounds pretty damn good to me. I've wanted a decent water/fighting for aaaages. And no, Poliwrath is not decent. It's highest stat is 95, with no real specialisation in one particular area, which means it is neither bulky nor sweepy. Yes, there's Keldeo, but unfortunately that's an event legendary which significantly hampers its in-game use, particularly if you didn't get it during the event.

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    Default Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

    I always figured Fennekin just didn't come with Ember, at lv. 5, like the other starters come with their elemental attacks, and instead learned it at 8, and then learned Howl at 11. But if that isn't the case and they are covering up an attack by showing Fennekin at 11, then that is much more fair and makes a heck of a lot more sense!

    It probably isn't confusion, though. It's a bit too powerful to be learned so early, especially compared to what the others learn at the same level. Perhaps Psywave or Astonish, though.

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    Default Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

    Confusion is a starting move for a few species and learned at a fairly low level for a few others, so I don't think it's too strong for a level 8 Fennekin.

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