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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojo View Post
    Bad lighting doesn't make the tail tip purple. Regardless it still might be fake.
    Chespin's tail is the same color as its nose; if this were G5 its shiny colors would reflect this.

    Besides, if the original color is red or orange, +blue actually does make it purple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainbow View Post
    It's noticeably more blue.
    It's an RGB video screen, they're always "noticeably more blue" when you take photos of them if you don't first calibrate your white balance to match it. (How much photography do you take with your camera in manual mode?)

    See for yourself, all I did was just take the Blue channel's gamma level down a notch and suddenly everything looks normal and non-shiny:
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    It still doesn't look "non-shiny". Chespin is noticeably lime green in all the screenshots we've seen, regardless of quality. Changing the gamma level only makes it a normal, forest green. Also, tip of the tail is still purple.

    Not that it matters since these might be fake.
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    A simple midtones adjustment doesn't accurately reflect a real white-balance correction would look like.

    Which means that our most reliable indication of colors is to compare Chespin's colors with scenery in the same shot. For example:

    Chespin's cap is best comparable to that hill behind Fletchling, but that's not much to go on....

    I also stand by my statement that shiny Chespin's tail should still be the same color as its nose, just like regular Chespin's tail is.
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    Found this on Serebii courtesy of XDMewtwo, provided it's real, looks like Froakie's shiny is green.

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    A green frog...that wasn't predictable :/

    @Stratelier: You might be right. I notice the scenery returned to it's normal color in the version you did. I guess Chespin is just too off color to be fixed properly.
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    That is definitely green, but there's a distinctly cyan-ish halo around Froakie's cel outlines. That could suggest image editing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainbow View Post
    @Stratelier: You might be right. I notice the scenery returned to it's normal color in the version you did. I guess Chespin is just too off color to be fixed properly.
    I'm still analyzing the image tones. For example, on the upper shot Chespin's green is about the same luma (brightness) as the grass behind it; this is consistent with the official Chespin v. Fletchling screenshot. But on the lower shot, Chespin's green is clearly about 10% darker than the surrounding grass.
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    I wanted it to be black, but at least I can have a Shiny Froakie and pretend it is a Grass-type thanks to its color. Ha! Provided it isn't fake, obviously.

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    Eh green isn't the most exciting color, I know it could be fake, I guess it isn't that bad. I'd rather see something a little more surprising for shiny Froakie.
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    Zooming in...looks likely legit. It has a blue hue around it, but I don't know if that'd come from editing, since it's outside the outlines.

    The Fennekin might still be real too...I said it was easy earlier, but thinking about it now, recoloring a "phone-quality" picture isn't that easy due to heavy pixelation.

    I know we've seen a lot so far for a 1 in 8192 chance in a demo...but based on the picture of the Japanese event, there's definitely enough 3DSs for them to show up eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratelier View Post
    Chespin's tail is the same color as its nose; if this were G5 its shiny colors would reflect this.

    Besides, if the original color is red or orange, +blue actually does make it purple.


    Also feel free to tell me how Fennekin's colors are perfectly fine if the color balance is so off to the point where it can magically turn Chespin's tail tip purple.
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    Who originally found the Chespin and Fennekin? I'm curious. I saw them on I Can't Stop's page, but then again this is the same guy who said they showed Kanto starter mega evos at the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojo View Post
    Also feel free to tell me how Fennekin's colors are perfectly fine if the color balance is so off to the point where it can magically turn Chespin's tail tip purple.
    Chespin's tail/nose color (in his Sugimori art) is RGB 235, 127, 89. If you add a +38 blue it becomes red; more than that tints it magenta. (However, magenta is a "warm purple" and the alleged shot is a "cold purple". In fact, it's more of an indigo [insert Princess Bride jokes here].)

    As for Froakie, if I take the image and give it a +90º hue shift this approximately reproduces Froakie's original blue tone. With Fennekin, note its ears are still more or less the same tone as normal, so if I give the image a +150º hue shift (yellow and purple are not quite complements in RGB space) I can reproduce Fennekin's original yellow. This supports that simple image editing is not out of the question, however the forensic argument is worth considering too -- you'd expect to find some kind of change in noise pattern around the edges of the edited areas, and you don't.
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    Another picture of the Fennekin got posted. I think it's real now
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    I really hope it's real I really like that shiny Fennekin...

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    Default Re: Starter Discussion and Speculation

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainbow View Post
    Another picture of the Fennekin got posted. I think it's real now
    Lol, you beat me to it.

    There is also a new image of Shiny Froakie...
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