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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinity Edge View Post
    I mean that it's hard since the Pokemon's level is capped at 50, and so are the stats. The value you reached at 50 won't change, even if you attained all the needed EV's after that level. Same goes for the levels pokemon had, when you caught it. A successful EV training for Wi-Fi battles will be only from lvl 1 ~ 50, so you cannot perform it on a lvl 55 Kingdra that you caught in the wild, because the effort Values it had on lvl50 are recorded and you cannot EV increase it's stats retroactively.
    That is wrong on so many levels....

    First, the level cap is 100, not 50.
    Second, Wi-Fi battles only scale a Pokemon to Lv.50 to keep the playing field between players even. This has no effect on the ability to train the Pokemon outside of it, and EV's have effect at every level. (At Lv.50, you get +1 for every 8 EVs)
    Third, the "box trick". When you put a Pokemon in the PC, its actual stat values (HP/Attack/Defense/etc.) are discarded. When you view it in the box or take it back out, the game silently recalculates those values from scratch (thus reflecting any new changes in EVs).
    Fourth, as of G5 stats are reportedly recalculated after every battle, instantly reflecting any noticeable changes to the individual's EV's. In prior generations, a Pokemon at Lv.100 did not gain any more EV's because they did not gain any experience points (though items and the box trick still works).
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    From my experience, I tried both normal Pokemon training and cheating (with PokeGen). There is no fair comparison between those two. On PokeGen, you just set whatever you want, even the rarest, most ridiculous parameters you want like ex. Smeargle with 255 EV's in Attack, without problem whatsoever. In reality, you would have to win battles with Smeargle, against enemies that have high attack stat, that's nearly-impossible. Moreover, some type of EV yielding pokemon are super scarce, for example if you wanted to get Speed EV's for a lvl 40-50 Pokemon, in B/W your only option was fishing for Basculin. Imagine if I wanted to have a high Speed Aerodactyl or Gliscor. You had to win the fights against those Basculin, which is a torture, and you will need a hell lot of potions. What if I wanted to have an EV trained Kingdra? Unless I had another console to play simultaneously and trade, it's not possible to get an EV trained Kingdra in the game. The obtainable ones are only those who you can catch in the wild, and those even though happen to show up only 5% of the time, are worthless because they have no EV training, just like any other pokemon from the bushes. So when you go to the Wi-Fi battles, and see a weather team user with Kingdra having 255 speed EV's and a helpful nature you can be almost sure that this guy cheated to get it. Worst part is that, even if you used Macho Brace and Pokerus, somebody who cheated will achieve better stats than you still, simply because getting EV's in the game comes only from winning battles, which becomes very hard in some cases. Unlike in the the program where all it needs is just typing whatever value you need. If PokeAmii could help with that, so the game wouldn't be actually attracting players to cheat, then I'm all for that.
    Actually you can have a pretty well EV trained Kingdra or whatever other Pokémon very easily without cheating... but only if you train them post-game, however, since you're speaking about Wi-fi battles (which are unrelated to the main story) that should not pose any problem. ALL the Pokémon in my current party are perfectly EV trained (and most of them have at least near perfect S.peed and/or Offensive IV's). It took me so long, but in the end it paid great and I feel happy with my Pokémon team. And I don't even know how to cheat, I did it all fairly (cue to the 50 Gibles and 30 Abras in my PC). It's hard as hell, but impossible? Not at all.
    I mean that it's hard since the Pokemon's level is capped at 50, and so are the stats. The value you reached at 50 won't change, even if you attained all the needed EV's after that level. Same goes for the levels pokemon had, when you caught it. A successful EV training for Wi-Fi battles will be only from lvl 1 ~ 50, so you cannot perform it on a lvl 55 Kingdra that you caught in the wild, because the effort Values it had on lvl50 are recorded and you cannot EV increase it's stats retroactively.
    I don't know where you're getting your info, but I've read a dozen EV training guides and none of them mention this theory of a pokemon's values being recorded and set in stone at level 50 and this being how WIFI battle stats are worked out. Can you give a source? Because always being capped at whatever stats your pokemon had when it was level 50 sounds absurd. Half the fun of EV training is that you can do it to any pokemon at any time, and even erase and start over if you do it wrong.

    The way I understand it is this: when you wifi battle your pokemon's level along with everything else in its stats are simply divided using a mathematical equation, rounded down, and your stat gains for EVs are halved. I don't tend to like Smogon much, but they do have a great article explaining it. Scroll down to EVing for level 50:

    5th Generation EV Training Guide (B/W) - Smogon University

    And just to stay on topic, if Smash show no other new gameplay footage in the next few weeks, I wish they'd show some more pokemon getting the Amie treatment. Even if it's not a hint about new evos or prevos we could expect, it's just plain fun to watch all the different cute reactions :D (also in the pokemon amie promotional pic I noticed a Diglett with a ball of string - can you maybe play with your pokemon using toys? That'd be amazing!!)
    It's from my own experience. A pokemon whose stat reached say 154 on lvl 50 will not be able to get it higher even if that stat became 180 on level 60. Once you submit that pokemon to a Wi-Fi or BT battle, the stat will go back to 154.
    Besides, even if I am wrong, doing it your way which would mean EV training the pokemon after it attained lvl 50 is longer and harder. I don't suppose there even are easily found pokemon on lvl.70 with Speed EV yield, let alone other stat yields in a game like B/W. So if EV training in your definition means having to get your pokemon to level 100, then it's even harder than I previously described...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinity Edge View Post
    I mean that it's hard since the Pokemon's level is capped at 50, and so are the stats. The value you reached at 50 won't change, even if you attained all the needed EV's after that level. Same goes for the levels pokemon had, when you caught it. A successful EV training for Wi-Fi battles will be only from lvl 1 ~ 50, so you cannot perform it on a lvl 55 Kingdra that you caught in the wild, because the effort Values it had on lvl50 are recorded and you cannot EV increase it's stats retroactively.
    1. As Lady Sasaki already pointed out, that's not true.
    2. Even if that were true, you can simply breed and start EV training upon hatching. That way, you can easily have a complete EV spread (510 EV's) before your Poké even reaches level 30, leaving your whole point moot. Just breed your Kingdra and you'll get a fresh Seadra at Level 1 (with the added quality of getting the nature you want if you knw how to do it), start EV training and then evolve. Presto! You have a beautiful Kingdra whose EV's were controlled on your desire and it hasn't reached Lv. 50. Don't want to breed and start at Level 1? Well, that's your decision, but you can't say that it can't be done without cheating.

    Anyways, back on topic: I wonder why they didn't allow to change the camera so the face/upper body of your Pokémon always stays on the touch screen so to avoid situations like the above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rika View Post
    do you think you can make strong your pokemon team with this "pokemon amie"??
    so would be possible make any pokemon stronger???.... hmmm i don't think so...
    i don't know i don't like it at all....
    The official website says Pokémon-amie can help boost the chance of landing critical hits, avoiding opponents attacks, and more things that have yet to be revealed.

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    The official website says Pokémon-amie can help boost the chance of landing critical hits, avoiding opponents attacks, and more things that have yet to be revealed.
    As long as it doesn't turn into a 'dodge it!' fest like the anime. I want to punch a puppy whenever I hear that line. Double Team already sets my teeth on edge.

    Besides, even if I am wrong, doing it your way which would mean EV training the pokemon after it attained lvl 50 is longer and harder. I don't suppose there even are easily found pokemon on lvl.70 with Speed EV yield, let alone other stat yields in a game like B/W. So if EV training in your definition means having to get your pokemon to level 100, then it's even harder than I previously described...
    It's just as easy if not easier to EV train a high level pokemon as a low level one, getting them to level 100 has nothing to do with it. And why would the level of the opponent pokemon with EV yield even matter? You are aware that a level 2 Lillipup gives out the same EV yield if you defeat it as a level 95 Lillipup, correct? I'm not sure you've read the guides thoroughly because your understanding of EV training seems a little muddled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakuraa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rika View Post
    do you think you can make strong your pokemon team with this "pokemon amie"??
    so would be possible make any pokemon stronger???.... hmmm i don't think so...
    i don't know i don't like it at all....
    The official website says Pokémon-amie can help boost the chance of landing critical hits, avoiding opponents attacks, and more things that have yet to be revealed.
    Evasion? oh no.

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    Evasion? oh no.
    You find being able to avoid your opponent's moves a bad thing?

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    Evasion? oh no.
    You find being able to avoid your opponent's moves a bad thing?
    I think he finds his opponents being able to avoid his moves a bad thing.
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    I think he finds his opponents being able to avoid his moves a bad thing.
    Opponents as in trainers from the game? It hasn't yet been said whether or not they'll have the same benefits from Pokémon-amie as the player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinity Edge View Post
    It's from my own experience. A pokemon whose stat reached say 154 on lvl 50 will not be able to get it higher even if that stat became 180 on level 60. Once you submit that pokemon to a Wi-Fi or BT battle, the stat will go back to 154.
    When you enter a Wi-Fi or BT battle your Pokemon are scaled (up or down) to Lv.50, and they are scaled BACK when it's over and you return to single player. Their actual level (and EV's) are what you see in single player. But there is the matter of the Battle Box -- Pokemon here can't be modified in any way as long as they are in it. I've never used it personally, but if it simply makes a "copy" of the registered Pokemon (the actual Pokemon remaining in your party or PC box) then yes, any EV grinding done in single player mode will not affect what's registered in the Box.

    Besides, even if I am wrong, doing it your way which would mean EV training the pokemon after it attained lvl 50 is longer and harder.
    Unlike experience points, EV yields are not relative to level. If a wild Pokemon gave you three EV's when you were level 25, it will still give you 3 EV's when you're Lv.75 .
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    But there is the matter of the Battle Box -- Pokemon here can't be modified in any way as long as they are in it. I've never used it personally, but if it simply makes a "copy" of the registered Pokemon (the actual Pokemon remaining in your party or PC box) then yes, any EV grinding done in single player mode will not affect what's registered in the Box.
    No, it's just another way of storing your Pokemon. If they're not locked into the Battle Box due to you entering a tournament, you can easily take them out, change moves or EVs or the like, and put them back in.

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    I think he finds his opponents being able to avoid his moves a bad thing.
    Opponents as in trainers from the game? It hasn't yet been said whether or not they'll have the same benefits from Pokémon-amie as the player.
    I think it's more about competitive battling.

    How's it going to be balanced? Will it have an effect on competitive battling or will it all be equalized?
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    I think it's more about competitive battling. How's it going to be balanced? Will it have an effect on competitive battling or will it all be equalized?
    I personally think that it would, mainly because I feel that bonding is similar to, or may even replace, the friendship feature. However, I won't make any major assumptions until it's confirmed.

    If it does effect competitive battling, I don't see why'd there'd be any issue as long as your Pokémon have a strong bond with you.

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    The current friendship system doesn't really do much anyway, too easily abused.
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    i don't really caring for Pokemon amie, EV training stuff just sucks all the fun out of the game.
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