New Gym Leaders and Elite 4? - Page 20
Page 20 of 20 FirstFirst ... 10181920
Results 286 to 287 of 287

Thread: New Gym Leaders and Elite 4?

  1. #286
    In glorious technicolor The Outrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    12,942
    Blog Entries
    1026

    Default Re: New Gym Leaders and Elite 4?

    Quote Originally Posted by BettyN View Post
    Sure, just like Jessie, James, Kris, and Leaf all still "exist," despite not making it into FireRed and LeafGreen (Jessie and James) or HeartGold and SoulSilver (Kris and Leaf). It all depends on whether or not Emerald is still canon after the remakes come out.
    First, Blue was the third version, Yellow was a special edition tie-in created to be more similar to the anime and even then there were parts of Yellow that remain canon and there's nothing to suggest that JJ&M in Yellow didn't exist. It's not like we met the past GSC Executives in RBY.

    Second, unlike Kris, Juan's role wasn't replaced by another character so his existing doesn't negate anything else.

    Third, unlike Leaf, Juan isn't just an interchangeable character model with no distinct story of their own. Just look at Leaf and Red's design--give Leaf a hair cut and she's Red.

    Fourth, unlike Leaf or Kris, Juan isn't simply tied to Emerald, but is also tied to events in games that happen after his native games.

    Juan's existence in canon isn't negated simply by not being there in a game he was never featured in to begin with. He wasn't replaced by a new character, and his role wasn't simply interchangeable with another (in which a future game chose one).

  2. #287

    Default Re: New Gym Leaders and Elite 4?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackButterfree View Post
    I don't think the remakes overwrite the third versions. But then again, do the third versions overwrite the paired versions? We only have Yellow and Platinum confirmed to be canon. For this reason, we assume Crystal and Emerald to be canon, but this is never confirmed. I think everyone should just pick and choose what they want to be canon.
    Well, the Hoenn part of the PWT was clearly based on Emerald, with Juan being the 8th Gym Leader and Wallace as the Champion. As for Crystal, well, HeartGold and SoulSilver included many elements from it (with the exception of Kris).

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackButterfree View Post
    Well, maybe Leaf will come back. Actually, I'm sure she'll come back. (After all, she was planned for the original Kanto games, then scrapped at the last minute...)
    Only if Gen 1 gets remade again, and even then, that's a *huge* maybe. If they could scrap Kris for a new character, I could easily see the same happening to Leaf.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage View Post
    First, Blue was the third version, Yellow was a special edition tie-in created to be more similar to the anime and even then there were parts of Yellow that remain canon and there's nothing to suggest that JJ&M in Yellow didn't exist. It's not like we met the past GSC Executives in RBY.
    Blue was a "Third Version" only in ONE country, and even then, it wasn't anything but a special edition (Yes, I said it) with a few new sprites and wild Pokémon changes that was released exclusively for CoroCoro subscribers. (So, it was a game that few people even played.) It didn't make any real changes to the game's plot like Yellow (and the later on, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum) would do. Just because Yellow took some inspiration from the then-popular anime doesn't make it any less legit.

    As for the second part, well, that all depends on whether or not FRLG actually replace Yellow as the "canon" for Gen 1. There's been some debate over that.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage View Post
    Second, unlike Kris, Juan's role wasn't replaced by another character so his existing doesn't negate anything else.
    Gym Leader Wallace, who's that?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage View Post
    Just look at Leaf and Red's design--give Leaf a hair cut and she's Red.
    And, vice-versa. And, yet, somehow, Red got to return in HGSS.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage View Post
    Fourth, unlike Leaf or Kris, Juan isn't simply tied to Emerald, but is also tied to events in games that happen after his native games.
    Juan's been in exactly TWO games after Emerald--Black 2 and White 2--and that's only because Hoenn had to have an 8th Gym Leader for the PWT, and B2W2 took Emerald as the canon story for Generation 3, so thus, Juan's the Gym Leader and Wallace is the Champion.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage View Post
    Juan's existence in canon isn't negated simply by not being there in a game he was never featured in to begin with.
    He may have only been a part of Emerald, but ORAS are still Gen 3 remakes, and Emerald's just as much a part of Gen 3 as Ruby and Sapphire. He deserves to, at least, have a cameo.

Page 20 of 20 FirstFirst ... 10181920

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •