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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekard View Post
    Isn't it possible that the Grunt isn't going to Remake Team Rocket by name, just make another Organization? I mean, I suppose there is a chance to ''remake'' Team Rocket. But even if he is in the next Gen, and even if it is 'Named' Team Rocket, I'm not sure it will tie into the Team Rockets of the past or Gio, so why the issue if having Team Rocket again? It really won't be again... At worst, they'll just use the same name.

    Also. I think it would be a neat tie in to have the Grunt start a new Team.
    Eh, that's just confusing.

    Also, GF could easily come up with a better character to head the new team than some random TR grunt who vaguely hinted that he'd start TR again in his homeland. Also, TR without the stupid tactics, overdose of Zubats and frankly greedy ambitions just isn't TR. I'd rather see them under a different name.

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    about the team rocket grunt, he could be the origin of an international crime syndicate, in platinum there was an international police officer, why not ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Versus View Post
    Eh, that's just confusing.

    Also, GF could easily come up with a better character to head the new team than some random TR grunt who vaguely hinted that he'd start TR again in his homeland. Also, TR without the stupid tactics, overdose of Zubats and frankly greedy ambitions just isn't TR. I'd rather see them under a different name.
    I'd like a new name too. My thing was that this isn't going to be ''TR Again''. It would just be ''inspired'' by TR, which personally I don't like.

    I think what I would like is for a new team, but also, I would not mind it if this Grunt guy started it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transfinite View Post
    Why would the founder of an Unown research center give out starter Pokemon? :|a
    Maybe he specialises in researching Legendary and "ancient" Pokémon? It's always a possibility.

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    Also, to the people saying "No Kanto", GSCHGSS's Kanto is quite different from RGBYFRLG's Kanto.
    Its still Kanto whatever way you look at it, it has all the same towns and places, even if their are slight differences in them in those versions.

    Maybe he specialises in researching Legendary and "ancient" Pokémon? It's always a possibility.
    I don't know about this professor being the Gen V professor, but if he is tied to unown, and the Shinjou ruins are part of what Gen V is (or is in the area where Gen V region is) then could be possible as the Sinjou ruins has unown tied to it. It seems they had unown tied to certian areas in every game (maybe just to catch them, but there was a slight story behind them in such places) Gen II had the Ruins of Alph, Gen III had that area in Sevii, Gen IV had Soleceon Ruins. Gen V...Shinjou Ruins?

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    I have to explain my opinion further.

    What I mean when I say Arceus isn't god has to do with the 12th movie but also includes the 10th and 11th movies as well as the 6th and 7th movies.

    He could barely take the whole meteor in movie 12. If he was god, that wouldn't have hurt him. He would have just used the same powers he used to create things to destroy things. But no, he tried to protect the Earth by absorbing the meteor. He has no powers besides the plates which allow him to prevent damage from the plate's type. And the whole creation business from HGSS could be attributed to him just summoning the creature you chose. He doesn't have to create it. Maybe the Sinjoh Ruins is close enough to where the dragon trio roams freely. Maybe it does empower him to create a being to help him defend the world.

    Who knows. But in my opinion, the dragon trio are there to balance the world in their own dimension.

    Of course, as it's been seen, they can use the powers of their respected dimensions.

    Dialga sent Ash and Co back hundreds of years so he could stop Arceus from betraying the planet he was sent to protect. He was enraged because he gave the Gem of Life to the humans of Michina Town (which, if he were a god, the result would have been more fantasic, perhaps enriching the whole world instead of a valley) and the idiot Marcus tried to keep it from him.

    Dialga can bring people back from a future that didn't happen.

    Palkia can appear from nowhere due to moving through the dimension of space.

    Giratina balances the 5 dimensions we know from the 6th dimension, the Reverse/Torn world.

    But it's not like they control their dimensions indefinitely.

    If they did, then why wasn't the whole world consumed by the dimension clash in movie 10?

    Why were poisonous clouds appearing in the Reverse/Torn world in movie 11? Couldn't Giratina have just as easily prevented them if he had full control of the dimension?

    Why was Shaymin able to prevent Giratina from surfacing in the 3 Dimensional world?

    Giratina does not have absolute power over that dimension, that's why. And if Giratina is just as powerful as the other two dragons, that limits their powers too. And since Arceus could not "create" beings with more power, he did not create the dimensions we know.

    Why was Pikachu able to harm Arceus if he is, in fact, god?

    On top of that, where does Deoxys fit into this? Deoxys and Jirachi are not of this Earth. They were created elsewhere in the universe and since Arceus did not create the Earth's Pokemon, how where those two created?

    What I believe is that Arceus is a powerful Pokemon, a capturable creature with special powers that allow him to protect those of the Earth.

    I'm not saying he is not powerful, he's just not all powerful like a god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    He could barely take the whole meteor in movie 12. If he was god, that wouldn't have hurt him. He would have just used the same powers he used to create things to destroy things. There's also the possibility he can't activate his creation/destruction powers in a moment.

    Giratina balances the 5 dimensions we know from the 6th dimension, the Reverse/Torn world. What is this "known 5th dimension" you speak of?

    Why was Shaymin able to prevent Giratina from surfacing in the 3 Dimensional world? Dialga did, not Shaymin


    I'm not saying I don't think Arceus is powerful, I just don't think he's all powerful like a god. fixed this part
    Also, either the Sinjoh Ruins have nothing to do with a different region, or I wasn't staring at every single letter. [/sarcasm]
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    Quote Originally Posted by TM2-Megatron View Post
    I doubt it's a hint of any kind, but I noticed yesterday while walking around Kanto that the sign in the middle of Pallet Town reads:
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    Obviously; which is why I prefaced the quote. However, it's still a funny thing for the sign to say with the recent B/W announcement; taking into account how these new games are supposed to be a new beginning for the franchise and whatnot.
    I think that's a really interesting point... and for the original topic about there being Gen V hints, I'd say that's one of the better "hints" that has been suggested on here so far.

    The foriegn-language-speeking-Rocket hint doesn't really fly with me... for the fact that if Game Freak took his quote about bringing back TR in his home country/region seriously like that, they might as well do it with Cyrus... who, like the Rocket Grunt in HG/SS Kanto, says things about "returning, not giving up, ect.". The theory of Cyrus returning is one of the few theories that I like to follow up on myself, but even I don't agree with it 100%. I think there's a higher possibility of a new evil team more than the possibility of either Team Rocket or Galactic (at least Cyrus, he's the only member who states he's not gonna give up) returning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RegiRuler View Post
    There's also the possibility he can't activate his creation/destruction powers in a moment. It was never stated how long it took for Arceus to form the pokeverse.
    Perhaps. The only way we can know is if we look deeper into the history of the Pokeverse with a later generation, perhaps one that takes us back in time.

    Like I said, this is my own opinion. It can wrong or right, depending on who looks at it with their own opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RegiRuler View Post
    There's also the possibility he can't activate his creation/destruction powers in a moment. It was never stated how long it took for Arceus to form the pokeverse.
    It was never stated (at least in the games; not sure about his movie appearance) that he actually did, in fact, "create the Universe". More than likely, Arceus is merely an immensely powerful Pokemon which inspired the mythology common in Sinnoh today.

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    Anime =/= games. How many times must we go over this?

    That said, lets take your example for a moment. God =/= omnipotent. Only in the Muslim and the Judeochristian religion is God referred to as omnipotent (at least, of the major religions in the world). He's not the only being in Greek, Celtic, Inca or Japanese mythology, for example. The point is that he doesn't have to be all powerful to still be considered a God.

    About Giratina, no, he doesn't control the Reverse World. He was banished into it, as evidenced by his Platinum Pokedex entry:

    "It was banished for it's violence. It silently gazed upon the old world from the Distortion World"

    Distortion world is the equivalent of Hell and, like Lucifer, Giratina is trapped there, he doesn't rule the place (at least in the games canon, this is what is implied).

    Quote Originally Posted by TM2-Megatron View Post
    It was never stated (at least in the games; not sure about his movie appearance) that he actually did, in fact, "create the Universe". More than likely, Arceus is merely an immensely powerful Pokemon which inspired the mythology common in Sinnoh today.
    How many times do I have to post this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy View Post
    How many times do I have to post this?

    Diamond version Pokedex: "It is described in mythology as the Pokemon that shaped the universe with it's 1,000 arms."
    Right; and that pretty much confirms what I said, doesn't it? Arceus was never stated as having, in fact, created the Universe. The Pokedex entry indicates that Sinnoh's mythology thinks he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy View Post
    Anime =/= games. How many times must we go over this?

    That said, lets take your example for a moment. God =/= omnipotent. Only in the Muslim and the Judeochristian religion is God referred to as omnipotent (at least, of the major religions in the world). He's not the only being in Greek, Celtic, Inca or Japanese mythology, for example. The point is that he doesn't have to be all powerful to still be considered a God.
    I agree, a god does not have to be omnipotent to be a god. But to be a god, it has to have power greater than something else. And since a Machamp can One-Hit KO an Arceus, does that make it a god? Yes, Arceus may be worshipped as a god but to be defined as a god requires omniscience and omnipotence.


    *Note: These folowing quotes are taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence. The non quotes are mine.*
    1. A deity is able to do anything that is logically possible for it to do.
    Arceus was able to absorb the meteor. Arceus gave his power to the people. Arceus summoned a Level 1 Dialga/Palkia/Giratina.
    2. A deity is able to do anything that it chooses to do.
    Arceus chose to give the humans a second chance.
    3. A deity is able to do anything that is in accord with its own nature (thus, for instance, if it is a logical consequence of a deity's nature that what it speaks is truth, then it is not able to lie).
    Not sure how to respond to this one.

    4. Hold that it is part of a deity's nature to be consistent and that it would be inconsistent for said deity to go against its own laws unless there was a reason to do so.
    Arceus went against the protection of the Earth and started to destory it.

    5. A deity is able to do anything that corresponds with its omniscience and therefore with its worldplan.
    If Arceus was omniscient, he would have known what Ash and Co were going to do and would have stopped them before they could do it. In fact, if Arceus had any control over time, what would have stopped him from going back in time to get the jewel after he awoke?
    6. A deity is able to do absolutely anything, even the logically impossible.
    He was not able to stop the human Marcus from hurting him. If he was omniscient, he would have never split his life to only be tricked later.

    *Note: These folowing quotes are taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God Non quotes are mine*

    God is the English name given to a singular omnipotent being in theistic and deistic religions (and other belief systems) who is either the sole deity in monotheism, or a principal deity in polytheism.

    God is most often conceived of as the supernatural creator and overseer of the universe. Theologians have ascribed a variety of attributes to the many different conceptions of God. The most common among these include omniscience,
    Not all seeing.
    omnipotence,
    Not omnipotent.
    omnipresence,
    Not everywhere at once.
    omnibenevolence (perfect goodness),
    Not perfect.
    divine simplicity, and eternal
    Not eternal. He almost died in Movie 12.
    and necessary existence. God has also been conceived as being incorporeal, a personal being, the source of all moral obligation, and the "greatest conceivable existent". These attributes were all supported to varying degrees by the early Jewish, Christian and Muslim theologian philosophers, including Maimonides, Augustine of Hippo, and Al-Ghazali, respectively. Many notable medieval philosophers and modern philosophers developed arguments for the existence of God. Many notable philosophers and intellectuals have, in contrast, developed arguments against the existence of God.
    About Giratina, no, he doesn't control the Reverse World. He was banished into it, as evidenced by his Platinum Pokedex entry:

    "It was banished for it's violence. It silently gazed upon the old world from the Distortion World"

    Distortion world is the equivalent of Hell and, like Lucifer, Giratina is trapped there, he doesn't rule the place (at least in the games canon, this is what is implied).
    It is my belief that the Reverse/Torn world serves to balance out the "real" world of Pokemon.

    If Giratina was able to drag you, Cyrus and Cynthia out of the "real" world into the Reverse/Torn World in Platinum (which is stated to be a world created to balance out the "real" world in platinum), why would he be trapped in there?

    Why were you able to get out?

    He has control enough to open portals and is only in his "Origin Forme" in the Reverse/Torn World. His ability also explains why you are not able to return to the Torn World after getting the Griseous Orb. The portals close because he is no longer there.



    How many times do I have to post this?

    Diamond version Pokedex: "It is described in mythology as the Pokemon that shaped the universe with it's 1,000 arms."
    Mythology may be based on fact but I see those 1000 arms as something that prevented the destruction of the Earth instead of something that created the universe.

    All in all, I still believe what I believe and you still believe what you believe. Nothing about this 17 year-old says will change that. But I'll just say this again: "this is my own opinion. It can wrong or right, depending on who looks at it with their own opinion."

    And, just to clarify before someone starts spouting religious stuff, I'm an atheist.






    One last thing. I believe that everything that happens in game and in the anime is canon, as both are Pokemon and the anime is based loosely off the games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    And, just to clarify before someone starts spouting religious stuff, I'm an atheist.






    One last thing. I believe that everything that happens in game and in the anime is canon, as both are Pokemon and the anime is based loosely off the games.
    1. The arguement of whether Arceus is God or not is pretty much off-topic from this thread anyways.

    2. There's that anime =/= games rule that you also have to take into consideration. Some things happening in the games may not apply to the anime, and vice-versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KPTitan View Post
    1. The arguement of whether Arceus is God or not is pretty much off-topic from this thread anyways.

    2. There's that anime =/= games rule that you also have to take into consideration. Some things happening in the games may not apply to the anime, and vice-versa.
    As I said, the anime is loosely based on the games, not the other way around. I know tha some things happened in the anime that did not happen in the games (Filler eps go!) but there are events that did happen in the games that happened in the anime.

    One cannot deny that there was a Battle Tower, Battle Pyramid and other battle places as well as a Pokemon league battle in every generation. There was also Jesse and James in Pokemon Yellow and Palkia and Dialga were summoned by Cyrus on Spear Pillar.

    The games are core in my opinion but the anime helps flesh out those opinions of mine.

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