Thread: Gym Leader/Elite 4/Champion Discussion

Her team was rather easy for me. I didn't even have a Ice type move. Just a Arcanine with Outrage.

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I didn't even have a Ice type move. Just a Arcanine with Outrage.

You realize none of her dragons are x4 weak to ice right? Using Outrage is more powerful. I mean, Ice Beam is more of a liability considering that she also has Lapras and Aggron. The only Pokemon an ice move would do more to is an already defensively weak Archeops. There's absolutely no real advantage to use Ice over Dragon.

She freakn' earned it. After she almost annilated me two years earlier, she deserves that title. And now...

I'll be so freaked.

I'm pissed that there's still no dark gym leader.

I don't like Marlon; they tried way too hard with his design and didn't even give him Vaporeon.

I have mixed feelings about Iris being Champion. I like her, her outfit is cute despite the arrogance behind it, and she had a great battle song. On the other hand, I wanted to battle Hilbert/Hilda and I'm sick of seeing dragon/dragon like types in champion teams(dragon is one of the rarest and strongest types in the game, yes, we get it).

On the positive side, I love that Cheren is a gym leader now and I love Roxie(I had been waiting years for another poison type gym leader and a rock n' roll themed character).

Originally Posted by Therian

Originally Posted by rubinek

Hmm, I wonder how does it fare on challange mode. The normal one was an easy 6-0 for my Liligant.

I did like that she had Haxorus with Focus Sash though.

I'm confused are you saying you beat all her Pokemon with a Liligant?????

Well it's pretty doable. Lilligant is a beast. I've swept Cynthia in White like this.

The funny thing is that my Lilli was 57 at the beginning of the battle :)

Originally Posted by Therian

Originally Posted by rubinek

Hmm, I wonder how does it fare on challange mode. The normal one was an easy 6-0 for my Liligant.

I did like that she had Haxorus with Focus Sash though.

I'm confused are you saying you beat all her Pokemon with a Liligant?????

Basically what @Signas; has said - Quiver Dance turns Lili into unstoppable monster after a few uses. Initial set-up is very easy once you sleep the opposing Pokemon, and from there you have a free hand to do what you want. Mine also had Own Tempo, so I could spam Petal Dance all day without the fear of confusion. It is worth noting that although Iris' dragons resist Petal Dance, it still has a very respectable 90 power (120*0,5/2).

But Starmie is awesome, I too have swept many a battle with a Starmie. But Liligant? Either it was extremely over leveled, or I have been grossly under estimating it lol.

For the record, I didn't touch Lucky Egg thorough the whole game and only sparsely attacked the Audino. The game is too easy IMO even without the Egg, Audinos and nurses / doctors.

And you do underestimate Liligant my friend. Easily one of the best in-game Pokemon I have ever used, I strongly recommend giving it a try.

To all the Lilligant fans, bit off topic, but would you say that Lilligant was better than my Leavanny?

To keep this in context after answering the 1st question, who is better overall? Then could you say who you think would be better to take on Iris with?

Originally Posted by Therian

To all the Lilligant fans, bit off topic, but would you say that Lilligant was better than my Leavanny?

To keep this in context after answering the 1st question, who is better overall? Then could you say who you think would be better to take on Iris with?

It's apples to oranges, really. Leavanny is obviously better suited to the physical attacks, whereas Lilligant specialises in special offence (no pun intended). I haven't used Leavanny yet, but judging on pure theory:

Leavanny:
+ better coverage
+ bulkier and a bit faster
+ strong set-up move in Swords Dance
+ available earlier -> it will accumulate more experience, EVs and such
- Grass/Bug gives A LOT of common weaknesses
- a bit weaker than Lilligant in offence (103 vs 110)

Lilligant
+ great support options - Sleep Powder helps with set-up and capturing legendaries, while Quiver Dance turns her into an unstoppable beast
+ Petal Dance with Own Tempo makes for one crazy combination
- suffers from the Serperior Syndrome (pretty much no useful non-Grass moves)
- tad frailer than Leavanny, although Quiver Dance helps to mitigate this weakness

I'd wager that Lilligant would be better at taking on Iris. I mean, you can probably take out Hydreigon with Leavanny without much trouble (provided you're faster), but you will absolutely need that Swords Dance boost to muscle your way through things like Aggron and Druddigon, both of which threaten to KO Leavanny with a single move. And getting that boost when every dragon on her team has a move that can knock out Leavanny will be problematic to say at least. There is also a problem of Archeops, which will almost certainly be faster and KO you with Acrobatics, and the Focus Sash Haxorus, which will survive everything Leavanny throws at him, Dragon Dance up and retaliate with obscenely powerful X-Scissor. Lilligant on the other hand can sleep the Hydreigon, Quiver Dance a few times and laugh her ass off as Flamethrower won't even take a third of her health. After about 4 uses she will be fast and powerful enough to sweep her entire team (can tell this one from autopsy).

But, if you're not looking forward to embarrass one of the most hated characters in today Pokemon anime by ruthlessly sweeping her team clean, I think both Pokemon are pretty good at taking on Iris. :P

Originally Posted by rubinek

Originally Posted by Therian

To all the Lilligant fans, bit off topic, but would you say that Lilligant was better than my Leavanny?

To keep this in context after answering the 1st question, who is better overall? Then could you say who you think would be better to take on Iris with?

It's apples to oranges, really. Leavanny is obviously better suited to the physical attacks, whereas Lilligant specialises in special offence (no pun intended). I haven't used Leavanny yet, but judging on pure theory:

Leavanny:
+ better coverage
+ bulkier and a bit faster
+ strong set-up move in Swords Dance
+ available earlier -> it will accumulate more experience, EVs and such
- Grass/Bug gives A LOT of common weaknesses
- a bit weaker than Lilligant in offence (103 vs 110)

Lilligant
+ great support options - Sleep Powder helps with set-up and capturing legendaries, while Quiver Dance turns her into an unstoppable beast
+ Petal Dance with Own Tempo makes for one crazy combination
- suffers from the Serperior Syndrome (pretty much no useful non-Grass moves)
- tad frailer than Leavanny, although Quiver Dance helps to mitigate this weakness

I'd wager that Lilligant would be better at taking on Iris. I mean, you can probably take out Hydreigon with Leavanny without much trouble (provided you're faster), but you will absolutely need that Swords Dance boost to muscle your way through things like Aggron and Druddigon, both of which threaten to KO Leavanny with a single move. And getting that boost when every dragon on her team has a move that can knock out Leavanny will be problematic to say at least. There is also a problem of Archeops, which will almost certainly be faster and KO you with Acrobatics, and the Focus Sash Haxorus, which will survive everything Leavanny throws at him, Dragon Dance up and retaliate with obscenely powerful X-Scissor. Lilligant on the other hand can sleep the Hydreigon, Quiver Dance a few times and laugh her ass off as Flamethrower won't even take a third of her health. After about 4 uses she will be fast and powerful enough to sweep her entire team (can tell this one from autopsy).

But, if you're not looking forward to embarrass one of the most hated characters in today Pokemon anime by ruthlessly sweeping her team clean, I think both Pokemon are pretty good at taking on Iris. :P

Might have to reconsider my team then.

I was going to have

Zebstrika, Archeops, Simisear, Oshawott, Zoroark and Leavanny, may have to consider Lilligant instead. I just thought Leavanny because her Bug traits would help me sweep the Dark and Psychic E4 members.

Flygon is a good choice. It's faster than anything she's got (save Archeops), and can beat the living piss out of Hydreigon, Druddigon, and Haxorus with Dragon Claw. Earthquake will annihilate Aggron, and any decent Electric type can beat the other two.

Originally Posted by rubinek

Originally Posted by Therian

To all the Lilligant fans, bit off topic, but would you say that Lilligant was better than my Leavanny?

To keep this in context after answering the 1st question, who is better overall? Then could you say who you think would be better to take on Iris with?

It's apples to oranges, really. Leavanny is obviously better suited to the physical attacks, whereas Lilligant specialises in special offence (no pun intended). I haven't used Leavanny yet, but judging on pure theory:

Leavanny:
+ better coverage
+ bulkier and a bit faster
+ strong set-up move in Swords Dance
+ available earlier -> it will accumulate more experience, EVs and such
- Grass/Bug gives A LOT of common weaknesses
- a bit weaker than Lilligant in offence (103 vs 110)

Lilligant
+ great support options - Sleep Powder helps with set-up and capturing legendaries, while Quiver Dance turns her into an unstoppable beast
+ Petal Dance with Own Tempo makes for one crazy combination
- suffers from the Serperior Syndrome (pretty much no useful non-Grass moves)
- tad frailer than Leavanny, although Quiver Dance helps to mitigate this weakness

I'd wager that Lilligant would be better at taking on Iris. I mean, you can probably take out Hydreigon with Leavanny without much trouble (provided you're faster), but you will absolutely need that Swords Dance boost to muscle your way through things like Aggron and Druddigon, both of which threaten to KO Leavanny with a single move. And getting that boost when every dragon on her team has a move that can knock out Leavanny will be problematic to say at least. There is also a problem of Archeops, which will almost certainly be faster and KO you with Acrobatics, and the Focus Sash Haxorus, which will survive everything Leavanny throws at him, Dragon Dance up and retaliate with obscenely powerful X-Scissor. Lilligant on the other hand can sleep the Hydreigon, Quiver Dance a few times and laugh her ass off as Flamethrower won't even take a third of her health. After about 4 uses she will be fast and powerful enough to sweep her entire team (can tell this one from autopsy).

But, if you're not looking forward to embarrass one of the most hated characters in today Pokemon anime by ruthlessly sweeping her team clean, I think both Pokemon are pretty good at taking on Iris. :P

Most hated characters? Source please. And sadly since some idiots can't differentiate anime and games. The hate for anime Iris extends to Game Iris as well. Learn to differentiate people!

Originally Posted by Aura_Sphere

Most hated characters? Source please. And sadly since some idiots can't differentiate anime and games. The hate for anime Iris extends to Game Iris as well. Learn to differentiate people!

Calm down, I was just kidding. I'm not an Iris hater myself.

But, if you want the source -> http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/

Beat the Elite 4. They were all really, really easy. And I have no clue why they still only have 4 Pokemon, since more are available prior to the postgame. Iris was also just pathetic. Just like with Lance, you need literally two moves to win. I must admit I'm disappointed, since I was hoping Gamefreak would improve, as Alder was so easy in BW1. Her song has grown on me though, as I initially didn't like it.

I'm finding the Gym leaders a little more challenging this time around, I've had to fight most of them more than once. Ive beaten Cheren, Roxie, Burgh, Elesa and Clay.Im now training for Skyla. Im really liking the way they designed the gyms as well.

It took me a while to notice that Roxie's band has them spelling out "Pokemon", that was pretty neat! I wonder why they didn't just spell Koffing, though? And I wonder that they'll do with Roxie's band in other language tracks...