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    Quote Originally Posted by Deity View Post
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    Of course, the first gym leader should challenge beginning trainers with level 60+ Pokemon. Makes sense.
    You know, that actually works in my favour. If he has an epic line-up of level 60+s, how come he's only the first Gym Leader?
    The same reason all gym leaders in Gen IV had epic line ups in their 60's and challenged you with lower leveled Pokemon. It's canon that gym leaders are there to test trainers. The first gym leader isn't weaker than the Bug Catcher you may find a few routes later that has higher level Pokemon like a billion people seem to think. Their job is to test whether the trainers are at the appropriate level of power to move on to the next test (i.e., the next badge).

    Both Blue, and now Cheren's existence has supported that fact, and people keep denying it assuming that just because they use low leveled Pokemon against low leveled trainers, they must be weak.

    It's also his first day (and battle) as gym leader, and the reason he's the "first" gym leader is because he's in the first town. "First" gym leader doesn't mean "weakest" gym leader by a longshot. If Giovanni had been in his gym, he would have been the "first" gym leader.

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    Default Re: Ruining Two Characters?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Outrage View Post
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    Of course, the first gym leader should challenge beginning trainers with level 60+ Pokemon. Makes sense.
    You know, that actually works in my favour. If he has an epic line-up of level 60+s, how come he's only the first Gym Leader?
    The same reason all gym leaders in Gen IV had epic line ups in their 60's and challenged you with lower leveled Pokemon. It's canon that gym leaders are there to test trainers. The first gym leader isn't weaker than the Bug Catcher you may find a few routes later that has higher level Pokemon like a billion people seem to think. Their job is to test whether the trainers are at the appropriate level of power to move on to the next test (i.e., the next badge).

    Both Blue, and now Cheren's existence has supported that fact, and people keep denying it assuming that just because they use low leveled Pokemon against low leveled trainers, they must be weak.

    It's also his first day (and battle) as gym leader.
    I see. He still looks worse than in BW, though. His sweat looks like warts.

    Deal with it.

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    Default Re: Ruining Two Characters?

    You do know that you can challenge Cheren (and Bianca) with his BW team in the post-game if you use the Memory Link, don't you?

    The Striaton trio also reappears. They'll each ask you to team up in a battle against the other two once a day. Cilan's team consists of Maractus, Ferrothorn and Simisage. Chili's team is Heatmor, Darmanitan and Simisear. Cress uses Basculin, Slowking and Simipour.
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    Default Re: Ruining Two Characters?

    Yeah, I think all the characters got pretty awesome development. Cheren, Bianca, Cilan, Chili, and Cress, all about their strengths and weaknesses.
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    Default Re: Ruining Two Characters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grass Type Trainer View Post
    You do know that you can challenge Cheren (and Bianca) with his BW team in the post-game if you use the Memory Link, don't you?

    The Striaton trio also reappears. They'll each ask you to team up in a battle against the other two once a day. Cilan's team consists of Maractus, Ferrothorn and Simisage. Chili's team is Heatmor, Darmanitan and Simisear. Cress uses Basculin, Slowking and Simipour.
    They're also participants in the PWT. So yeah, they weren't "ruined". If anything, they're better than before,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deity View Post
    I'm looking forward to BW2, but there is just one thing in the game that I dread; they're replacing Cilan, Chilli, and Cress with Cheren! One of the most unique gym in the series with CHEREN. I can see why people might like this change, but they're also ruining Cheren's look and reputation! Also, his team is a PATRAT AND A LILLIPUP. What happened to his epic line-up?
    They are in the box, since you can battle his old team with Memory Link.

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    Default Re: Gym Leader/Elite 4/Champion Discussion

    In challenge mode, he has a Pidove.
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    Default Re: Gym Leader/Elite 4/Champion Discussion

    I'm not sure if I'm supposed to feel more threatened by that ._.

    Pidove as a third Pokemon?

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    Default Re: Gym Leader/Elite 4/Champion Discussion

    In Challenge Mode, the Gym Leaders and Elite 4 have different teams.

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    Default Re: Gym Leader/Elite 4/Champion Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Gym Leader Janine View Post
    In Challenge Mode, the Gym Leaders and Elite 4 have different teams.
    Different if you mean "adding one more Pokemon" except if you're Iris:
    Pokémon Black 2 & Pokémon White 2 - Gyms
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    Now I'm wondering if there's an AI boost too, since Serebii's not reporting a level boost which is kind of disappointing. I wanted my Lucario and Zoroark to be at level 65 (when they learn their last good moves) but not be over-leveled.

    Does anyone who has a Japanese version of the game know if it can communicate wirelessly with the English version? I'd like to be able to know if I can get keys that way.

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    Default Re: Gym Leader/Elite 4/Champion Discussion

    Someone who is playing through the Japanese version is saying they got a level boost, oddly. The Patrat and Pidove are level 12, and the Lillipup is level 14. He also says that Drayden has a level 50 Druddigon later in the game.
    The rival and normal trainers get a boost as well; the rival's starter is level 6 in Challenge Mode, and level 4 in Assist Mode.

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    Default Re: Gym Leader/Elite 4/Champion Discussion

    Yes you can. I tested it.

    Yes in my battle against Tcheren, Patrat and Pidove were at Level 12, and Lilipup 14
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    Default Re: Gym Leader/Elite 4/Champion Discussion

    I hope the level-up for later gyms are a bit larger so that I can use level 65 Pokemon without it being too bad. I'll definitely be holding off playing B/W until I can get Challenge mode off of one of my friends.

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    Default Re: Gym Leader/Elite 4/Champion Discussion

    Thank you, Game Freak. Thank you.

    Although basically, Challenge mode is no different from the previous games....

    Oh well, at least the Gym Leaders can have up to a respectable four Pokemon.
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    Default Re: Gym Leader/Elite 4/Champion Discussion

    The movesets for the Gym Leaders Pokemon are vastly improved in challenge mode, which should make things a bit more..well, challenging. Also, it appears more of their Pokemon use held items, and there is a boost in the AI.

    The hard part is going to be unlocking challenge mode for my first play-through. I wonder if people will start selling used copies online that have been power-gamed for that very purpose?
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