While I admit that her team shares too many weakness, it's still a cool team appearance and theme wise.
Seems like an alright team. The three on the right are cool the three on the left aren't - would be nice to come up against a legendary but meh.
you not only wanted Banjirou as Champion, but you wanted him to have the stereotypical "bratty child" personality.
I don't care if you say you actually like Banjirou, the whole "I wanted to see a bratty Champion" completely contradicts any statement made about "disliking children" as the reason you don't like Iris. It's more like, you're using that as a thinly veiled excuse to just not like Iris, which is fine, but don't pretend its because you dislike children (regardless of whether you do) when you wanted a stereotypically bratty child Champion out of Banjirou. You may dislike children, but that's clearly not the reason you don't want Iris as Champion when you're advocating a "bratty child" persona for Banjirou.
And there's a lot of irony in the claim that Drayden "is just a gym leader" when people also much preferred Drayden becoming Champion, suggesting they believe he is already "someone of Champion caliber"
You know who else is just a gym leader?
- Volkner, He's actually stated to have beaten the Unova league (implied to at least have challenged them in BW, I think it was mentioned in a magazine that he beat them)
- Wallace, actually the Hoenn Champion
- Blue, also a former Champion
- Clair...though she may have just been bragging about her ability, she at least doesn't claim to be stronger than Lance
That's like, an "Eighth" gym leader for every region. There is a very good reason why Drayden would never leave his gym to be Champion even if he could have done it: His gym guards the Gene Wedge. I doubt Drayden's planning to die anytime soon, so he can let his successor be a Champion in the mean time.
Just admit it, you're an Alder fanboy and if Alder can't be Champion, then you'd much rather have a photocopy of him be one. Failing that, any one of his proteges. You keep talking about how other people are more worthy. You go on about how Banjirou and Marshal was trained by Alder. But guess what? Alder looked around for a Champion, and as Silktree has already said, it is not unfeasible that Alder actually did test any one of his Elite 4 members (and Banjirou!) and they failed to beat him.
But you know who didn't fail to beat him? Iris.Who cares if Banjirou was trained by Alder. Iris was the one who passed his test. Iris wasn't even technically full gym leader in White and Drayden told her to battle the PC in his place (ironically preceded by the line: I promised Alder you'd win; perhaps Black version Iris was actually the stronger of the two?). You know what that means? Iris' only recorded loss was against the previous Champion who also beat Alder.
Cheren was asked why he wanted to be Champion, and his reason? To be on top. Then he learned being powerful for the sake of being powerful wasn't the right way to go about in his life, and it reflects in being a gym leader.
Look, we have differing opinions on this issue, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm simply giving mine opinion/preference. You can think it's wrong all you want, and that's fine! But to constantly go in circles like this when both of us are adamant in our own belief is totally pointless. At the end of the day, remember that this is just a fictional game.
While it is subjective opinion on who your preference is, I am pointing out an objective outcome that occurred in these games: Alder chose to fight Iris to see if she is ready to be Champion, and Iris won, proving to Alder she was.
You can have your subjective opinion that you'd prefer Marshal or Banjirou, but don't subvert the truth by saying they are more fitting because "they were trained by Alder" when the reality is, Alder tested Iris and Iris passed. To ignore this objective truth and to say that other people are better simply because they were trained by Alder is pointless, because Iris was tested by Alder.
Also, while you can subjectively not like the direction Cheren's characterization has done, it is objectively true that Cheren's development in BW went from "I'm going to be strongest for the sake of being strongest" to finding something else to fight for. Sure, he could have maintained those sentiments while being Champion, but its hardly good writing.
I can totally see where you're coming from here, and I am totally aware of what objectively happened in the game. I am also totally aware that my opinion means absolutely nothing, and changes nothing as well. It doesn't mean I have to like what transpired though. It's similar to displeasure at a sports team you like losing. And I'm not trying to subvert the truth, I am once again, just giving my opinion, or what I would have chose to do if I had been in charge of what would change in BW2. I perhaps could have worded my preference of Marshal or Cheren better by saying that I believe they were more fitting, and not implying anyone else should or must think that.
I think Iris is fit to be Champion, but Banjirou would be also okay. I think maybe there should of been two champions and which champion you battle depends on the version you get. The champion that you don't battle at the Pokemon League maybe could make a small appearance in the post-game, but hey are just my opinions.
I kind of like the idea about Iris/Banjirou being version-exclusive Champions. Both are associated with areas that differ depending on the version.
I think Banjirou is Alder's grandson, so maybe he passed on his role was passed onto him by Alder. In the other version maybe Drayden spreads good word about Iris to Alder.
I think the game should work a bit closer with the anime, they can do it, for Yellow, but yellow should have been the template, not a one off. Obviously they didn't have enough Gen 5 dragons to fill her team with, but why couldn't they make Haxorus a boy and replace Aggron with Excadrill and give her a Dragonite to replace one of the other none Dragon;s that way.
When the initial spoiler didn't reveal Iris' sixth Pokémon (Lapras), I thought that it might a Dragonite since it had been shown in one of the game commercials for some strange reason (despite not being added to the Unova Pokédex), but I'm glad that isn't the case. Dragonite is already associated with two dragon specialists (Lance and Clair).Quote:
and give her a Dragonite to replace one of the other none Dragon;s that way.
I don't see why the anime should affect the games, especially when it comes to Iris.
You're wondering why they couldn't make Haxorus a boy. Iris had a Haxorus in B/W, and it was female. Why couldn't the anime be consistent with the games in that regard? Should the game's canon have been completely rewritten for the sake of the anime?
I don't see how or why the source material should be closer to other mediums that derive from it, and make the conscious choice to deviate in their retellings.
Also I agree it's a bit hard for the games to follow the anime when the games come out first, but BW2 came out after the BW episodes we have seen, when they were working on BW2, I think they would have known about Iris' Dragonite and Excadrill.
I'm speaking from a personal point of view here, but I think fans would like to battle the Iris from the anime, and be able to imagine that this is the girl who started with her Axew in the village of Dragons and now became the champion even if you never see that in the anime.