Thread: Favourite Champion?

Originally Posted by Ranger Jack Walker

Cynthia is easily one of the most poorly written characters in Pokemon and all of her scenes in Platinum are that games weakest points.

... You can say that of any Champion, honestly. Or what about Lance's "Yeah, I saw you were doing very well so I just held back and curbstomped some annoying red-haired guy while I did"? Or Steven's "This is terrible, go meet Wallace in the Cave of Origin while I sit here looking at Kyogre and Groudon fighting"? Lance wasn't even there in the Goldenrod take-over.

The only Champion that wasn't a complete sitting duck was Wallace... and he still made you guess where was Rayquaza. At least he opened the damn place. Blue did nothing too. He just waited at Silph Co. to battle you, though his dialogue at least might imply he fought Giovanni, and probably lost.

Lance might have helped for once in HGSS, in a battle that would've been easy whether he was helping or not. Then Steven helped you in the Space Center take-over, but it's not right to single out Cynthia when every other Champion is as guilty of "doing nothing".

Originally Posted by Orion Hasta

... You can say that of any Champion, honestly. Or what about Lance's "Yeah, I saw you were doing very well so I just held back and curbstomped some annoying red-haired guy while I did"? Or Steven's "This is terrible, go meet Wallace in the Cave of Origin while I sit here looking at Kyogre and Groudon fighting"? Lance wasn't even there in the Goldenrod take-over.

The only Champion that wasn't a complete sitting duck was Wallace... and he still made you guess where was Rayquaza. At least he opened the damn place. Blue did nothing too. He just waited at Silph Co. to battle you, though his dialogue at least might imply he fought Giovanni, and probably lost.

Lance might have helped for once in HGSS, in a battle that would've been easy whether he was helping or not. Then Steven helped you in the Space Center take-over, but it's not right to single out Cynthia when every other Champion is as guilty of "doing nothing".

Didn't Adeku try to stop team plasma but failed because N had the legendary dragon?

^^ yep, N battled him and won the title of champion by defeating him, only because of Tao Drgaon of Choice though...

Against Groudon and Kyogre, there is nothing Steven could have done really. As I remember, he didn't even know a whole lot about Rayquaza. And he does help you against Maxie and Tabitha in the Space Center in Emerald. Lance helps you in the Rocket Hideout in Mahogony even if it is just a battle. Adeku tries but fails. Blue is ass. Even if he could help, he wouldn't. Wallace opens the Sky Pillar but does nothing else.

Cynthia meanwhile shows up at Spear Pillar and does nothing. She heals you but Lance did too and he helped a lot more.

So basically... bias.

I fail to see how Cynthia "failed" more or how she was one of the "most poorly written" characters. Also, lol, writing in Pokémon. Expecting character depth in it isn't exactly the best expectation to have.

When they helped you battle, it was because you were fighting two Trainers at once. Apparently it's OK if it's some twins down the road, but if it's evil guys it's "unfair". lol. Cyrus was alone in the Distortion World, and they wouldn't give the battle to Cynthia. Gameplay > Plot/Characters/Anything. Always. If it was up to them, they'd curbstomp the entire organizations on their own once they found out, but gameplay has the need to turn them into helpful NPCs. So... moot point.

As for her having you run errands she could do herself... she's interested in the character, and wants to help him/her get to new places and improve at his/her pace. She could do those things on her own, but what would be the point of that when she's already well traveled and knowledgeful? Why not help the blooming talent instead? So now that's an asshole move? I find Lance more of an asshole, personally. Helping in an already pathetically easy battle and taking down 3 Electrodes doesn't amounts to "ZOMFG AMAZING HELP HE PROVIDED WHAT A WELL-WRITTEN CHARACTER!!!". He basically made you do all the job, only gathering hints you would've found sooner or later on your own, and providing largely inconsequential help, if you can even call it that. Yes. I can also extrapolate a Champion's shortcomings.

Ultimately, besides Blue, every Champion is an ascended helpful NPC. All of them are as helpful and as superfluous as the one before or after. Anything else basically boils down to opinion. It just boogles the mind when there's some radical opinions like calling Cynthia a "worse" character for reasons that apply to pretty much every other Champion. Nice bias.

Lance by far. You know you're a badass if you wear a cape

Anyway, Lance has been in more games than any other champion, and he had a HUGE roll in G/S that set the standard for champions to come. I just think Lance is one of the coolest NPCs out there.

Originally Posted by Orion Hasta

So basically... bias.

I fail to see how Cynthia "failed" more or how she was one of the "most poorly written" characters. Also, lol, writing in Pokémon. Expecting character depth in it isn't exactly the best expectation to have.

When they helped you battle, it was because you were fighting two Trainers at once. Apparently it's OK if it's some twins down the road, but if it's evil guys it's "unfair". lol. Cyrus was alone in the Distortion World, and they wouldn't give the battle to Cynthia. Gameplay > Plot/Characters/Anything. Always. If it was up to them, they'd curbstomp the entire organizations on their own once they found out, but gameplay has the need to turn them into helpful NPCs. So... moot point.

They did something. Not saying they are greatly developed characters. You said the only Champion who wasn't a sitting duck is Wallace. But the awfulness of the dialouge in the Cave of Origin in Emerald is immediately apparent. Yet he is my favourite champion. I recognize that bit of dialouge as the worst bit from Emerald.

The writing in Pokemon is far from great. But I felt that with Cynthia, they weren't even trying.

Blue and Steven. Blue more. His team and battle theme are awesome

Blue. As a rival he was always one step ahead of you and that included beating the league. He's basically the original Champion. True, he was always a bit cocky but I liked that; its good to have confidence. Also, as seen in Generation 2/4 he at least learned some humility after his loss against Red. As far as pokemon go I liked his roster the best for its variety. iUts true he wasn't traveling to different regions like Cynthia when he was champion, but remember, he was champion for like 2 weeks before Red came and beat him. Also, even after he was no longer Champion and became a Gym leader, his pokemon were still on that Champion level.

To me, Lance always had the sort of regal look and bearing that a champion should have. And his battle music was epic, he's my 2nd favorite. However, his team...SMH, 3 Dragonites!!! Always thought that was awful.

Steven comes in third, but I like him for the opposite reason I like Lance. He doesn't have that regal bearing. Like Blue he kinda seems like just a normal guy that also happens to be Champion.

Cynthia is by far the most awesome champion in pokémon games.
In my opnion: Blue is dumb, has a poor design and a miserable team.

Cynthia and Lance.

:)

They are awesome

Hey Mods, how about moving this thread to the Contest Hall and merging it with this one? The Contest Hall didn't exist back when I made this thread.

Dragon Master Lance because his dragon team is awesome and I love Dragons i even have a pure dragon team on my Pokemon SS game

Cynthia for me (representing for the females xP)
Lance with his 3 Dragonites got on my nerves in SS. And I struggled against Wallace but that was because my team was under leveled xP. I haven't battled Green yet because I haven't touched my FireRed since I beat Giovanni XD and I don't have Ruby or Sapphire so I never battled Steven as the champion, but he was challenging in Emerald in that cave.

i gotta say blue
the shock when i saw he was the champion for the first time
that was cool
lance in a close second