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    Quote Originally Posted by Outrage View Post
    You make it sound like she got retconned out of existence. All they did was change her art to look less like a mammy stereotype (which I assume was completely accidental on their part). Her updated artwork is on her bulbapedia page and on the official japanese site.
    I didn't mean to sound so shocked. I was just wondering what that meant.
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    And please inform me of a black character being removed from Pokemon in the past? And if you try to claim Jynx, then I'll know you really don't understand the situation at all. Frankly, the implication that Jynx and Aloe are the same character that you're making (Jynx is the closest thing the franchise has had to a removed African character) is frightening and disturbing, to say the least considering that Jynx is an inhuman, offensive caricature of the outdated gollywog trope, kept as a pet and servant by white people.
    You sure Jynx was based on those gollywog dolls? I always seen Jynx as some kind of ganguro ice spirit sort of like frosslass.

    Also, Golliwogs had big wooly hair and a freakish grin (two traits that are not evident in Jynx).

    Quote Originally Posted by Outrage View Post
    You make it sound like she got retconned out of existence. All they did was change her art to look less like a mammy stereotype (which I assume was completely accidental on their part). Her updated artwork is on her bulbapedia page and on the official japanese site.
    Where does it say the art was changed to reflect that?

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    He's too light-skinned for being African. Maybe North African, Hispanic or Arabian; but certainly not "Black".

    Iris and Aloe is more likely characters for being black...
    After hearing Iris outfit is apparently a Dashiki (a traditional african dress) it's quite possible she could be black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Life Alert View Post
    The only problem I'd see the localization team having is Aloe, and it's been indicated she's going to be edited in all versions of Black and White, even future Japanese versions.

    They're not going to edit trainer classes for being black.
    I don't see why they'd change her, what about one of the elite four members? The fighting type guy? I don't see any logical reason outside madness why they'd want to change her.

    I'll never understand why people would get upset when Aloe is represented as a Gym Leader, someone with power and influence. Surely that's a good thing?

    I just checked the bulbapedia page for Aloe, the apron was changed. I don't particularly care too much about the apron really. Although not it looks ridiculous like she has some sort of cape. I was more worried they'd make or white or something. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzard View Post
    I'll never understand why people would get upset when Aloe is represented as a Gym Leader, someone with power and influence. Surely that's a good thing?
    She's also supposed to be a smart woman, who studies fossils and may be an Archeologist. People complain about it because of the Apron, not because of her character.
    Which to be, is very stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzard View Post
    I don't see why they'd change her, what about one of the elite four members? The fighting type guy? I don't see any logical reason outside madness why they'd want to change her.

    I'll never understand why people would get upset when Aloe is represented as a Gym Leader, someone with power and influence. Surely that's a good thing?

    I just checked the bulbapedia page for Aloe, the apron was changed. I don't particularly care too much about the apron really. Although not it looks ridiculous like she has some sort of cape. I was more worried they'd make or white or something. :/
    A woman in power? Yeah, I can see why that's controversial...1960s and all that...feminism being the source of ready meals and obesity (and while I am trying to be humorous, it's true. In the 1960s, we men couldn't cook xD).

    Looking at Aloe...why did they change her Sugimori artwork? They didn't want the "Women Cook" or "Black Mama" stereotype? (Although to be fair, he trainer title is "Natural-born Mama" >>). But I have to laugh at how she still has her apron xD

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    More refreshing for me. =3
    I love the changes. I wonder if pokemon will come to England! =O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu Shoji View Post
    A woman in power? Yeah, I can see why that's controversial...1960s and all that...feminism being the source of ready meals and obesity (and while I am trying to be humorous, it's true. In the 1960s, we men couldn't cook xD).

    Looking at Aloe...why did they change her Sugimori artwork? They didn't want the "Women Cook" or "Black Mama" stereotype? (Although to be fair, he trainer title is "Natural-born Mama" >>). But I have to laugh at how she still has her apron xD
    Her title is natural-born proprietor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuutakeshi View Post
    Her title is natural-born proprietor.
    Bulba's page has it back to Mama because it's rarely ever used in that context. Is what I gathered from the discussion page
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    Quote Originally Posted by KPTitan View Post
    A little FYI you guys... there are non-whites who are light-skinned. Relying on somebody's mere skin color to make an assumption of what race they are is asinine...
    AMEN brother! That'll preach! You wouldn't know my race from my skin-color alone... you'd need to take a quick look at my hair, too!

    As to the Westernization of B/W, I think it will appeal more to Western audiences, which I assume was the goal, so it was a good idea, in my opinion. Though I can understand why others would think otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuutakeshi View Post
    Her title is natural-born proprietor.
    Her Bulbapedia page has it has "Natural-Born Mama".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu Shoji View Post
    Her Bulbapedia page has it has "Natural-Born Mama".
    The translation works both ways.

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    I think it gave more air to more added things in Pokemon. I think it was a good thing, although i would like one more "central" region in the middle of Kanto Johto Hoenn and Sinnoh
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    I personally like the Westernized feel of Black and White, even if it does feel like I'm playing "What the Japanese think of America." I like how Isshu is a far away place and how they have their own ecosystem of Pokémon, and the diversity of NPC with both race and occupation. I never thought I would see the day where I would see a Baseball player, Basketball, Football, and Street Dancer trainer classes in the main games. As for the Japanese feel of the franchise, with Kanto/Johto/Sinnoh, it did feel somewhat like Japan, especially with it's industrialization. To be honest, I always thought that Hoenn was the first region that took place far away from Japan, until I learned that it's still a part of the same land as Kanto and Johto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerfulStarmie View Post
    I dunno, with Hispanic and African-American trainers in this game, it sorta loses its Japanese charm that the first four generations had. There are few aspects in B/W that remind people that this game is from Japan. It's like Game Freak is being all fan-servicey to Western countries instead of having its own original flair.
    It's not fan service; it's a perfectly viable way of introducing new Pokémon that are very similar to the existing Pokémon by saying that this game is set on the other side of the world, so the Pokémon are different; much like the animal kingdom in the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachael View Post
    Seriously? I think it's great! The games are becoming more inclusive, and I think that's a good thing. I mean, there were always white people in the games, and nobody complained about that. And believe it or not, there are black people and Hispanic people in Japan.

    I did notice that there were more things that reminded me of the U.S. in this game, but I didn't feel that was "catering" so much as acknowledging the diversity of the Pokemon consumers. It would be awesome if later versions concentrated on different parts of the world.
    I was going to say the same thing. So what if there are trainers of different races. Don't look at it as a westernisation but as an attempt at bring people together. If anything it should be used as a show of trying to bring unity through something we all can enjoy.

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