Character Discussion Thread

[Tendou Soujirou]

I dunno, somewhat rare Pokemon like Spiritomb with rare items (Rare Candy, Lava Cookie, Old Chateau) and Dream World abilities is nice.

[The Outrage]

Nimbasa Gym - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia

Wait, so Elesa has two gyms?

Watch the localisation team totally miss that the Rich Boy and Lady trainers are the same from BW and rename them.....

[bluesun]

Lame. This game and its heterosexual agenda. On the plus side, at least I get female Pokemon with their DW ability....not like I didn't have all the ones I wanted.

So where does Ruri and Tetsu work that they wear those fancy clothes and headphones?

When you phone them up the 40th time, they say they're wearing their work clothes, so they can't do video, so appear as 'SOUND ONLY', then when you phone them up the 50th time, they appear in those outfits (their work clothes), say what is about 'Hi!...oops' then hang up, explaining on the 51st call they thought you were someone else.

[smalllady]

So why do they not want you to see them in their work clothes?

I still don't understand who these people are.

[Eitarou]

So why do they not want you to see them in their work clothes?

I still don't understand who these people are.

Because said work clothes look completely idiotic?

Seriously, the idol gigs is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen. Their hair is ridiculous, their clothes are dumb. God....

[bluesun]

So why do they not want you to see them in their work clothes?

I still don't understand who these people are.

I assume they're embarrassed.

There's not exactly much actually said. They say they're always going off to faraway regions such as Kanto (likes the Clefairy), Johto (likes the history), Hoenn (likes the different towns) and Sinnoh (likes the Great Marsh), they're always busy with their job, and they have Pokemon around them. But mostly they just say random things like asking if you've been to the Battle Institute.

[The Outrage]

So they're celebrity idols? I guess that kind of explains the headphones...kind of. I thought they may have been announcers.

I love how the only thing worth noting about Kanto is the Clefairy :P

So why do they not want you to see them in their work clothes?

I still don't understand who these people are.

I'm really thinking these characters may be the reason there's a chapter on characters in the post-game guidebooks. Complicated trade sequence and really confusing background....

[Reila]

Translation of some of Marlon's line, originally posted by myriada on serebii forums:

Wassa! Yo! Ya wanna challenge the Pokemon Gym, rite? I'm the Gym Leader, Marlon. Sorry ya had to search for me. Swimming with Pokemon feels so nice, and can take ya so far... Hey! I'll be in da gym!

Marlon: Yo! Guys! So who're these Team Plasma guys?
Hugh: Team Plasma are so...! They're bad guys who stole my sister... no, many people's Pokemon, and are planning to turn Unova to Ice and rule over it with the power of Pokemon! Marlon, don't you know about them?
Marlon: Of course not! Ya don't care bout things like that when ya live in da sea! In the end, da sea accepts all rivers anyway. So ya think Team Plasma are bad guys, guys?
>Yes.
>>Marlon: So ya fight 'em cuz they're bad guys?
>No.
>>Marlon: So ya don't think they're bad guys... but yet ya still fight 'em.
If dat's what ya wanna do, then go ahead. If ya do dat, then ya'll find out what ya really want, and what ya really desire.
Well then, see ya...
Hugh: What the heck!? I don't know if he's just bighearted or if he's irresponsible, but when the opponent's Team Plasma, you can't just be so laid back! Get a hold of yourself!... but anyway, for now we better find out where they are. Okay! Let's split up! You take Route 22!

Hugh: ...but how're we gonna get in?
???: Hold on a sec!
An impressive-looking trap descended...!
Marlon: This'll do!
Hugh: I thought you weren't going to fight Team Plasma...?
Marlon: Of course not! I've no grudge with Team Plasma. Do they really do bad things, I don't know. But to take sides even though everyone else says 'They're bad guys...!' ain't my style! But since ya'll were stuck, I thought I'd help out. That's what I do!
Hugh: ...Thanks.
Marlon: Listen, okay! Guys, have faith! Whether you wanna take back stolen Pokemon! Whether you wanna protect Unova from turning to Ice! Whatever your reasons are, they're your own! The strength of your faith will give you and your Pokemon strength!
...looks like in the ruckus many people came out!
Yo, take care of yaself!
Hugh: What the heck!? What an indecisive guy! Or maybe that's his own form of kindness... Anyway, let's go!!

LOL, I love this guy.

[Mitch Chesman]

So I'm assuming he's Truly Neutral in the alignment department, doing what he feels he wants to do. Makes no sense considering how leaders were built in BW to serve a greater purpose in the grand scheme of things, and now they put them back into second seat checkpoints for game progress. Gamefreak give us better character development this time round, but completely screws up in the general world building.

[The Outrage]

Going by the lines we're already given in the English website, I'd say that's a pretty good translation of how he's going to talk. Probably a better translation though.....

So I'm assuming he's Truly Neutral in the alignment department, doing what he feels he wants to do. Makes no sense considering how leaders were built in BW to serve a greater purpose in the grand scheme of things, and now they put them back into second seat checkpoints for game progress. Gamefreak give us better character development this time round, but completely screws up in the general world building.

You know what's really amazing though, Marlon manages to come off kind of stupid in these lines (hence the whole "his philosophical thinking gets hidden away by his lifestyle" description they gave), yet they managed to create a real true neutral character rather than making him stupid neutral. You've got to hand it to Game Freak there, being able to create a character who doesn't judge others based on what he is told of them.

$10 says that people on TVTropes call him stupid neutral since they clearly don't even read their own trope pages when applying examples.

EDIT:
Technically, doesn't Corless count as True Neutral as well? He only researched for Team Plasma purely for his own interest in finding out how to unleash a Pokémon's true potential regardless of what happens to Unova, and then tells the player how to find Ghetsis "because he really doesn't like him to begin with" and because the player opened his eyes to an alternate way of unleashing a Pokemon's potential.

[Mitch Chesman]

Going by the lines we're already given in the English website, I'd say that's a pretty good translation of how he's going to talk. Probably a better translation though.....

So I'm assuming he's Truly Neutral in the alignment department, doing what he feels he wants to do. Makes no sense considering how leaders were built in BW to serve a greater purpose in the grand scheme of things, and now they put them back into second seat checkpoints for game progress. Gamefreak give us better character development this time round, but completely screws up in the general world building.

You know what's really amazing though, Marlon manages to come off kind of stupid in these lines (hence the whole "his philosophical thinking gets hidden away by his lifestyle" description they gave), yet they managed to create a real true neutral character rather than making him stupid neutral. You've got to hand it to Game Freak there, being able to create a character who doesn't judge others based on what he is told of them.

$10 says that people on TVTropes call him stupid neutral since they clearly don't even read their own trope pages when applying examples.

EDIT:
Technically, doesn't Corless count as True Neutral as well? He only researched for Team Plasma purely for his own interest in finding out how to unleash a Pokémon's true potential regardless of what happens to Unova, and then tells the player how to find Ghetsis "because he really doesn't like him to begin with" and because the player opened his eyes to an alternate way of unleashing a Pokemon's potential.

Oh yeah GF definitely does get an award in that department, they're handing out character depth like candy, and its becoming a wonderful thing to behold. Gen 6 is gonna deliver in that department. As for Achroma, Chaotic Neutral is more fitting for him. He does things for himself, and couldn't give a damn for anyone else. Hell, the easydamus page example is pretty spot on with him:
The Alignment System - Chaotic Neutral
Once he saw someone kick his and then some, he skipped town, disbanded Plasma and found his own little world to escape to.

[H.M]

So I guess that's the part where he gives "passionate advice". Huh.

[PKMN Trainer Faye]

Translation of some of Marlon's line, originally posted by myriada on serebii forums:

Wassa! Yo! Ya wanna challenge the Pokemon Gym, rite? I'm the Gym Leader, Marlon. Sorry ya had to search for me. Swimming with Pokemon feels so nice, and can take ya so far... Hey! I'll be in da gym!

Marlon: Yo! Guys! So who're these Team Plasma guys?
Hugh: Team Plasma are so...! They're bad guys who stole my sister... no, many people's Pokemon, and are planning to turn Unova to Ice and rule over it with the power of Pokemon! Marlon, don't you know about them?
Marlon: Of course not! Ya don't care bout things like that when ya live in da sea! In the end, da sea accepts all rivers anyway. So ya think Team Plasma are bad guys, guys?
>Yes.
>>Marlon: So ya fight 'em cuz they're bad guys?
>No.
>>Marlon: So ya don't think they're bad guys... but yet ya still fight 'em.
If dat's what ya wanna do, then go ahead. If ya do dat, then ya'll find out what ya really want, and what ya really desire.
Well then, see ya...
Hugh: What the heck!? I don't know if he's just bighearted or if he's irresponsible, but when the opponent's Team Plasma, you can't just be so laid back! Get a hold of yourself!... but anyway, for now we better find out where they are. Okay! Let's split up! You take Route 22!

Hugh: ...but how're we gonna get in?
???: Hold on a sec!
An impressive-looking trap descended...!
Marlon: This'll do!
Hugh: I thought you weren't going to fight Team Plasma...?
Marlon: Of course not! I've no grudge with Team Plasma. Do they really do bad things, I don't know. But to take sides even though everyone else says 'They're bad guys...!' ain't my style! But since ya'll were stuck, I thought I'd help out. That's what I do!
Hugh: ...Thanks.
Marlon: Listen, okay! Guys, have faith! Whether you wanna take back stolen Pokemon! Whether you wanna protect Unova from turning to Ice! Whatever your reasons are, they're your own! The strength of your faith will give you and your Pokemon strength!
...looks like in the ruckus many people came out!
Yo, take care of yaself!
Hugh: What the heck!? What an indecisive guy! Or maybe that's his own form of kindness... Anyway, let's go!!

LOL, I love this guy.

For some reason, I kept hearing those lines in dub!Meowth's voice in my head. ._.; Must be all those "dats". Is that how you translate a Kyushu accent?

[H.M]

I think it would be hard to find an english analogue for the various Japanese dialects, so they might have to make do with something else. This one anime I saw gave a person from Osaka a southern accent. o_0

Do you think Corocoro goofed with Shizui? It mentioned him as "helping the player" or something, along with "bighearted" and "giving passionate advice". It made me think he was going to be like Alder and meet the PC a few times through out the game. The latter two I could sort of see in the actual game dialogue. (my sig might be a liiiiiiiie baaaaaw)

I still like the dude a lot, but I'm a bit disappointed in what I had hoped him to be (and had a very good reason for leaving them at the frigate).

[Tendou Soujirou]

I don't know Marlon, pretty sure when someone's goal literally involves freezing an entire region, there's no gray-area. :/