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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keegman View Post
    It's like being President—the title stays for life.
    I think this too. There can be more than one regional Champion at a time.

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperfairy
    Steven: He introduces himself as the Champ of Hoenn, not a former. "My name is Steven. The Champion from the Hoenn region. Have we met...before? That’s not possible."
    Note, though, that he said "Champion from the Hoenn region". He didn't say he was the Champion OF the Hoenn region. It's possible that Wallace is still Champion at the time of HGSS, which is why Steven is there, and not Wallace.

    EDIT: Realized that last sentence did not make sense. Allow me to rephrase. OTL Steven is there as a Champion of Hoenn, giving away Hoenn starters, right? If he actually was the CURRENT Champion, would he really have time to be giving away those starters? I'm probably just spinning more yard that makes no sense, but like with Red and Blue, he's still referred to as a Champion because he has yet to gain a new one or something. Like Blue is now Gym Leader and all.

    The Shirona thing can't count, since it only happens with an event...er, right?
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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    He also says THE Champion, not A Champion.

    Meh. Both are equally valid, and we also don't know what the EXACT Japanese text says. English translation has proven unreliable. (Silver/Giovanni). Personally, I'd say he and Wallace share the title in the same manner that Lance/Ethan/Lyra and Red do.

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    "THE champion FROM", not "THE champion OF".

    But that is true. D8 Someone should find the Japanese text, and see what he says there.
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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy Red View Post
    "THE champion FROM", not "THE champion OF".

    But that is true. D8 Someone should find the Japanese text, and see what he says there.
    The Japanese text is:

    やあ
    ぼくは ダイゴ
    ホウエンリーグの チャンピオンだ

    Which translates to: "Hi! I'm Steven, the Hoenn League Champion."

    So it is pretty much the same as the English version.
    I still can’t believe my dragons lost to you, Red! You’re now the Pokémon League champion! …Or, you would have been, but you have one more challenge ahead. You have to face another Trainer! His name is… Blue! He beat the Elite Four before you. He is the real Pokémon League champion! -Lance

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    I think blues the coolest champion but i also believe that red wants his title back as the main champion of johto and kanto

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    I always got the Vibe from the Games that after you beat the Champion, you surrendered the Title so you could finish your Journey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperfairy View Post
    Red: In the Viridian Trainer House, a trainer says this: "I bet the Champion from Pallet Town went to all the cities and towns in Kanto."

    Blue: His championship was very shortlived. Interestingly enough, the guy at the Viridian Gym enterance says this: "The Gym Leader is a guy who battled the Champion three years ago. He’s no pushover."
    Well everyone in the old Elie 4, Red and Oak knew as well. If I recall, Oak was actually going to the league to congratulate his grandson since he comments on how by the time he got there, Blue was already defeated. Quite embarrassing indeed. Not even a whole day.

    Makes me wonder if Oak was actually the last champion, retired and no one was able to beat the Elite 4 after him.

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    I think you are still considered Champion, but you let the old champ fill your place while you continue to have adventures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outrage View Post

    Makes me wonder if Oak was actually the last champion, retired and no one was able to beat the Elite 4 after him.
    That's always what I thought, since it seemed originally that Oak was going to be the champion (which would have been epic)

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Oak as the champion would`ve been very unexpected and awesome..Coming to the topic as many have suggested they may have just given up their positions and may not have legitimately lost the title in a battle

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Outrage View Post
    Makes me wonder if Oak was actually the last champion, retired and no one was able to beat the Elite 4 after him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuutakesh! View Post
    That's always what I thought, since it seemed originally that Oak was going to be the champion (which would have been epic)
    Oak has an battle Sprite in RB or RG. He even has a 5 pokemon team. Its nearly identical to Blue's final team. He can only be battled by hacking though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poké-Ranger Mike View Post
    Oak has an battle Sprite in RB or RG. He even has a 5 pokemon team. Its nearly identical to Blue's final team. He can only be battled by hacking though.
    I know, that's why I said it looked like he was meant to be champion.

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Whoops. But indeed, it would have been quite awesome.

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Poké-Ranger Mike View Post
    Oak has an battle Sprite in RB or RG. He even has a 5 pokemon team. Its nearly identical to Blue's final team. He can only be battled by hacking though.
    On top of what Ryuu said, beta isn't canon.

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