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    Default Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    You know Red and Steven, right? They're both listed as champions despite clearly not being them anymore.

    If I recall correctly, Steven was still said to be a champion a few times in Emerald. If not, he defiantly was in HGSS. Red too, in GSC/HGSS.

    They both apparently just passed on their champion role to another rather then being beaten and their role taken from them. Is that why? If you retire you still have your name as the champion when you aren't.

    That makes sense.

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    I have been asking myself that for a while. and especially with that noob lance. i mean if you where able to beat them than that means there no longer the champion right? but no. your not for some retarded reason i haven't found out yet. there is no way for you to defend the crown of the championship. so you just have to keep beating ash, lance, Cynthia, Steven, Wallace, and blue for some reason or other. i mean i find it dumb that even though (you me and everyone that plays these game) dethrones them there still considered the champions.

    Edit: Honestly i would love it if they programed it into the game so that you must go to the E4 and defend your championship from on coming challengers. that would be idea of heaven
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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Red did take the Champion Title, and we never do figure out if anyone challenged him for that title. It always seemed to me that he left the League and remained undefeated, so then Lance stepped up.

    As for Steven, it's very much the same, except it does seem that in canon Wallace doesn't replace him. What that says for Juan in the inevitable remakes is up for debate.

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    I've always wondered about this too. I guess it's a title you have for life? Either way I also don't know why you (the player) doesn't become champion. And FlamingKratos, your idea is WIN!!
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    Well, Blue seems to stay on as champion. Maybe Red felt he had better things to do than keep the title? Perhaps Lance eventually ends up beating Blue, hence why his rematch team is better than Blue's rematch team.
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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Once a Champ, always a Chap.

    If say, a great racer is beat in the next championship, his previous acomplishments aren't forgotten. And medals and prizes and stuff aren't taken. Champion is more like a status, a way to point out how good one is, not just the title itself.


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    Steven killed Wallace and Lance killed Red and took their positions as champions. Turns out Wallace was in league with Archie, too. This also explains Red's odd behavior.
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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Haha, I love this thread! I totally found this a bit weird as well.

    Although, in HG/SS, Red is not so much referred to as "Champion" as he is "Pkmn. Trainer Red".

    As for Steven, I don't follow him much. As far as it goes, if I beat 'em, who cares?

    Or maybe, in HG/SS, someone has possibly challenged his throne and succeeded since he acts so depressed.

    But I have no idea, since I haven't beaten Red yet on SS, so I don't know what happens after :/.

    They might just be too legendary to be forgotten, therefore they are still listed as Champs.

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Just because they lost to another trainer does not mean that they still haven't achieved the title of Champion themselves. They aren't the current Champion, but they were once Champions of their respective regions.

    They aren't suddenly going to stop being Champion-class trainers because they were beaten once.

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Outrage View Post
    Just because they lost to another trainer does not mean that they still haven't achieved the title of Champion themselves. They aren't the current Champion, but they were once Champions of their respective regions.

    They aren't suddenly going to stop being Champion-class trainers because they were beaten once.
    If I may ask, why isn't Red a Champion anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlatinumDude View Post
    If I may ask, why isn't Red a Champion anymore?
    An excellent question. It seems he left the League (can't imagine who beat him) and Lance took his spot or something. Maybe he jsut felt training was better than hanging around as a title-defender. I don't know.

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    Default Re: Why are Red and Steven still referred to as champions?

    Red is still called the Champion in HGSS. Not his Trainer class, but he's referred to as "the Champion from Pallet Town".

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTEchidna View Post
    Red is still called the Champion in HGSS. Not his Trainer class, but he's referred to as "the Champion from Pallet Town".
    "The Champion from Pallet Town", eh? That doesn't sound so specific, not like Steven. It's just saying he was one of the Champion and hails from PT.

    Quote Originally Posted by PlatinumDude View Post
    If I may ask, why isn't Red a Champion anymore?
    It's never said but we can assume, A, like it has already been stated he was beaten or B, he retired when he went to train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTEchidna View Post
    Red is still called the Champion in HGSS. Not his Trainer class, but he's referred to as "the Champion from Pallet Town".
    Out of curiosity, where is this reference?

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