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    Default Ulgamoth Theory

    Even with it's Pre-Evo available earlier and the fact it's Pre-Evo exists at all, I have some reasons to believe Ulgamoth is a Legendary.

    First off all, Ulgamoth is 4td strongest non-legendary and non-psuedo-legendary, and the strongest of such in the Isshu dex without a hindering ability like Archeos. Secondly, even though past Pokemon have been an Only One encounter in the past, Ulgamoth is not just found on some random route or cave, as it's found in an ancient castle (Rotom is found in the old chateau, but that sounds more like a random place due to how modern the building is in comparison to Ancient Castle). The most unusual fact about this encounter with Ulgamoth is it's high Level (At Level 70) and having the 2nd lowest non-legendary catch rate at a catch rate of 15 (Only Beldum's line goes lower). It also has the honr of being the highest leveled Pokemon on Adeku's team (Which can't be used as evidence against it being a legendary due to past gens having trainers with legends as well, such as Brandon and as recently as N).

    Now I might be crazy, but remember, there was a big debat over Phione for similar reasons yet is a Legendary due to the fact it can't be entered in the Battle Frontier and Official Tournaments. If Ulgamoth is banned from the Battle Subway and Official Tournaments, we may very well have another Phione incident among us. Any thoughts?

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    Default Re: Ulgamoth Theory

    Ulgamoth is not a legendary.

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    Default Re: Ulgamoth Theory

    Agreed. Ulgamoth is just a very powerful pokemon. Pseudo-legendaryish maybe. But not a legend.

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    Default Re: Ulgamoth Theory

    If anything, I expected people to debate about the possibility of Zorua/Zoroark being legendary. But not Ulgamoth.

    If it evolves into or from something, it's not legendary. If it can be bred so as to obtain moar of them, it's DEFINITELY not legendary. I worded it the way I did because Manaphy can be bred, just not to create more of itself.

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    Default Re: Ulgamoth Theory

    Eh, I say no. It may seem like it stat-wise, but that's about it.
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    Default Re: Ulgamoth Theory

    Adeku has one, and it isn't plot-related (like all previous Trainers with Legendary Pokémon outside the Tower/Frontier). So no, it's not Legendary.

    Also, not all Legendary Pokémon are banned from the Tower/Frontier. Only the strongest and the event-exclusive. Phione is among the latter, and therefore banned.


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    So Phione is considered a legendary by you guys while you can breed it to obtain more of it? Ulgamoth could very well turn out to be a nonevent legendary capable of breeding. After all, we've had how many things regarding legendaries happen to us in the past two generations?

    Legendaries can't have genders. Owait.
    Legendaries can't breed. Owait.

    It is possible Game Freak very well decided to implement a legendary capable of breeding more of itself. They've tore apart the fanconception of legendaries before. What's stopping them from doing it again?

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    Default Re: Ulgamoth Theory

    There's nothing legendary about it though. Provide evidence that Mothra is a legendary of any kind or else it's just another really powerful pokemon.

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    Ahem. Did you forget to read the OP Ryuu? Sounds like we have another Phione discussion on our hands.

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    Default Re: Ulgamoth Theory

    No I read it. I jsut don't see that as proof.

    EDIT: Statwise, it's weaker than the pseudo legendaries. And it's location shows it was in high regard, possible involved in legends, but legendary as is implied by the OP it is not .

    EDIT2: Pseudo legend, at the most.
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    Default Re: Ulgamoth Theory

    Oh, get off it, Venator. There's absolutely nothing legendary about Ulgamoth.

    Also, to what you said earlier about Phione, it's not even a confirmed legendary itself and it does not evolve into Manaphy, so that was really no point at all. Meraruba DOES, however, evolve into Ulgamoth, so that alone shows it can't be legendary. There's obviously something special about it, given where its caught and how powerful it is, but that something special definitely isn't legendary status.

    I don't know why this is even being argued.

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    Default Re: Ulgamoth Theory

    At best, Ulgamoth is a "legendary" in the same veins as Arcanine and Dratini. Meaning, legendary but not really. Or legendary, not Legendary.

    Yeah, weird, I know. But makes enough sense to me.

    It's not like Phione at all. Phione is I guess a mutation of Manaphy, and thus can't evolve into one. Ulgamoth might be found like a Legendary would, but you can also get its pre-evo as a freebie. It's like saying Sudowoodo is Legendary.

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    Default Re: Ulgamoth Theory

    And Phione is so debated because its breedable and hasa BST OF 480 and. Catch rate of 30. Ulgamoth has the third lowest catch rate, a. Higher BST AND is next to the main. Legendaries Pokedex wise.

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    Default Re: Ulgamoth Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    And Phione is so debated because its breedable and hasa BST OF 480 and. Catch rate of 30. Ulgamoth has the third lowest catch rate, a. Higher BST AND is next to the main. Legendaries Pokedex wise.
    And that means it's a legendary...How? You just really need to accept it's not and be done with it. I believe we've given you more than enough reasons as to why it's not.

    And yes, that's exactly it. Phione is debated because YOU CAN BREED MORE OF IT. If there's one thing all legendaries have in common, it's their exclusivity. What would even be the point of legendaries if you could breed all you want? No, man. That alone is enough to rip apart your arguments.

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    Ulgamoth is an evolution and legendaries don't evolve so Ulgamoth is not a legendary. It's not even a pseudo legendary iirc. It's just a really powerful pokemon. Besides you can get two in the same game(pre evo in egg and Ancient castle) which no other legendary as ever done


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