I dont think manaphy should be includedit's pretty weak.
@Fudo; Do you mean uber as in uber strong/uber cool, or uber as in "banned by Smogon uber"?
Well that's not up to you. And if the thread looks like it's going nowhere good I'll close it, but until then it's perfectly fine to stay open.Other than that, I really don't see any point to keep this thread to go on.
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Well thats about it for manaphy and uber as in overpowered. The best of the best.
Aggron and Gallade are definitely not "uber strong," they both have plenty of weaknesses and low stats that keep them from being better than most Pokemon. Such as low speed for both of them.
But yeah... as far as overpowered go, I'd say that the Smogon ban list is pretty accurate for the most part. I do kind of hope that Thundurus-T gets placed in that tier. It's attack power and movepool + a choice scarf is crushing. Just about the only way to beat it is either whittling it down with Blissey or with Ice Shard.
My opinion on who's uber: Kyogre- Sp. Atk and Sp. Def is stupidly high (same applies for Reshiram)
Groudon- Atk and Def is also stupidly high (same applies for Zekrom)
Rayqauza because of extreme speed
Deoxys and every form- All those stats are just unnecessary
Haxorus- Because he can take out most legendaries
Furret because he's one lab accident away from being considered an uber. Reason if Gamefreak gave Furret this exact set of stuff i'm about to say, he would be a true beast:
1.) Adaptability to increase his normal moves or Technician the ability Minccino has and with silk scarf equipped
2.) Extreme Speed
But Aggron can be considered one because of the defense he has along with that high attack
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I think this topic would have been better if legendaries were not allowed, then the answers wouldent be so predictable...
I think Mamoswine is quite strong, or at least it appears to be... Its height and weight is both quite massive, and its move set is pretty good too...
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Uber doesnt mean attack or power it means when the pokemon is so competetively useful its beyond OU and in a league of its on