Thread: Theory: National Dex and Kanto

In the games, The National Pokedex numbers of pokemon are in the order that the pokemon were first discovered by the the people of Kanto. An Isshu Region pokemon, for example is near the end of the Pokedex because the Kantonese recently found out about them, but the people of Isshu (I mean Unova) have known them for possibly centuries. Another example is Marill. It is only a second Generation pokemon because the Kantonese first discoversd it in Johto, but Marill is rare in Johto, but extremely common in Hoenn. But it is considerd a "Johto" pokemon by people from Kanto and by extention you as the player.

What exactly is your theory?

Yeah, I agree with Outrage. I didn't quite understand that.

I think he is saying, why do the Kanto Pokémon come first in the National Dex even though Unova, and the rest of the regions have had their respective species for centuries, am I right? What makes the Pokémon of Kanto special to appear first in the National Dex order?

Originally Posted by Midnight Blue

I think he is saying, why do the Kanto Pokémon come first in the National Dex even though Unova, and the rest of the regions have had their respective species for centuries, am I right? What makes the Pokémon of Kanto special to appear first in the National Dex order?

Yeah, so he's stating fact.

I don't see the theory.

Originally Posted by Bart

In the games, The National Pokedex numbers of pokemon are in the order that the pokemon were first discovered by the the people of Kanto.

Not necessarily by the people of Kanto. If you take game text into account, Groudon, Kyogre & Rayquaza were discovered by Hoenn citizens, and they built the Embedded Tower off the cliffs near Cianwood to honour those Pokemon centuries ago.

Originally Posted by Bart

A Unova Region pokemon, for example is near the end of the Pokedex because the Kantonese recently found out about them, but the people of Unova have known them for possibly centuries.

Unova has its own Regional Dex, so foreign Pokemon are naturally excluded due to them not being present in Unova because of the region's geographical position in the Pokemon World.

Originally Posted by Bart

Another example is Marill. It is only a second Generation pokemon because the Kantonese first discoversd it in Johto, but Marill is rare in Johto, but extremely common in Hoenn. But it is considerd a "Johto" pokemon by people from Kanto and by extention you as the player.

I think this is because Marill was first introduced in Johto era.
What I said above applies, I think. Johto may not have been the first to discover Marill, as Marill is in the R/S regional Pokedex as well. Just we got G/S/C before R/S/E.

It's mostly down to fan speculation.

Saying that I think the National PokeDex is completely reliant upon the order of the game releases as opposed to the dates of when different Pokemon species were discovered.
If that was the case, I think the Fossil Pokemon such as Aerodactyl would have controversial placings as, being ancient Pokemon, do they come first in the Dex, or near the end, as they're somewhat recently discovered fossils?

I dont see to much of a theory.

porbly because when they where making it gamefreak did not know how pouplar there games where going to be and did not know they would be making 5 gens of them.

His theory is this, I believe: The National Pokedex order is determined by the order in which the citizens of Kanto became aware of the foreign species.

Doesn't it say, or at least strongly imply, that Professor Oak is the creator of the Pokédex? If so, the order of the National Pokédex could be explained as the order in which the regional Pokédexes were completed and added to the main database or something.

Originally Posted by Master Mew

His theory is this, I believe: The National Pokedex order is determined by the order in which the citizens of Kanto became aware of the foreign species.

I think so too. But Oak was the creator of the Pokédex, but this may not be true in the anime anymore, but in the games yes, I think, not sure. So it may have been retconed.

His theory is that the canon view of the world is the view of the Kantonese people.

The order is probably just for the benefit of the player.

i think he's saying that the pokemon with high rate of quantity ( which like rattata) must have been first, i think it does make sense, because Tauros is a little bit common in Johto, but first discovered in Kanto..