Thread: Most over rated pokemon.

Originally Posted by Ranger Jack Walker

What he said.

Others worth mentioning would be a majority of the Gen I mons.

Mind being a bit more specific, please? I keep sifting through the list of Gen I Pokemon in my mind and I can't really seem to think of any that could qualify as overrated (besides Charizard). Most are underrated, I believe. Or rated just enough.

Originally Posted by Narcoleptic

Probably Arceus.

Definitely true. Arceus may seem impossible to defeat, but it's stats aren't beyond amazing.

Originally Posted by Dark Heart

Pikachu is extremely overrated in my opinion.

That's my opinion also. "PIKAAA-CH-" :mud-slap: Foe Pikachu has fainted! =P

Pikachu is popular because it's cute, because it's in every episode of the anime and commonly used in marketing, so even non-Pokémon fans have seen it, maybe at a store they walked past and because of their ignorance are completely oblivious of the other 648 species of Pokémon. Envoy's argument was good, but it first requires that you know more about Pokémon than "I like the yellow cat thing!" (it's supposed to be a mouse!)

I used to love Xatu until I realized it couldn't crap against a Dark-type, and Noctowl with no strength against Ice or Rock, and Jumpluff ='(

Eh... out of the ones not mentioned on this thread...

I'd say Mijumaru.

Sure, I do like it, but so does everyone else. I won't even repeat myself at explaining why it is so popular; the quote system is there for something.

Originally Posted by ghaskan

I know you probably see the reasons behind this, but I still feel like writting this mini essay :P

If you think about it, it's not that unexpected. Mijumaru was only seem with that :| face at first, but fan arts and other medias showed Mijumaru's other facets, making it more appealing to the fans.

Slowly, in internet terms that is, the otter began gaining a legion of fans and now almost no one hates it anymore. Mijumaru is probably the most moody starter, even if at first we were expecting it to be only depressed. People like dynamics. Design wise, we only get happy-go-lucky Pokabu and smug Tsutarja, who are nothing against a Pokémon who is seen depressed, then using puppy eyes, after a while with a big smile and afterwards with a fighter expression. Add to that a fairly good looking evolution (although I was hopping it to be fully bipedal, I still believe it will be like Swampert, suitable for both standing and walking on all fours). and you already got some pretty solid reasonings.

Other factor for this would probably be "pity". When something is too hated that alone is the reason for some to turn into fans. Also, Otters are rather popular animals (think Buizel).

Although I do prefer the Pokabu line from the start, it's perfectly understandable why the "masses" prefer Mijumaru's line. Don't get me wrong, I do like it as well ;)

For each their own, I guess.

Originally Posted by Envoy

One word: Charizard.

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Oh, who am I kidding? I have this pathological need to explain myself, I can't just give one word answers.

For some reason, Dragonlike Pokemon are by far the most popular Pokemon in the franchise. You only need to take a look at fan favorites like Gyarados, Salamence and Garchomp to notice this is true. Fire types, too, are very popular (for reasons unknown.)

You combine these together and you have Charizard. The first Dragon looking Pokemon in the whole franchise (much more identifiable as a dragon than Dragonite. Y'know, the actual dragon.)

Thus, he's always been one of, if not the, most popular Pokemon in existence. People love themselves some Charizard, especially the younger, more impressionable, members of the fandom.

That said, Charizard's battle performance is actually quite subpar at best. Back in RGBY, it actually lived up to it's reputation, but ever since DPPt came around and gave us so many powerful Rock type moves, Char has had a very difficult time keeping up.

Stealth Rock, which is omnipresent in battle, takes away half of Charizard's HP just for deciding to take a peek outside it's pokeball. His subpar defenses and HP ensure that even resisted hits can hurt and his typing doesn't do it any favors. Stealth Rock, Stone Edge and a slew of powerful Rock types (Tyranitar, Aggron, Rampardos) seal the deal for him.

He does have good offenses and a wide movepool (it's not all bad), but his staying power is pure crap, he gets outclassed by nearly every other Fire type worth mentioning (except Typhlosion), he's not even a real Dragon type and a pebble can kill him.

Yet people still seem to love him unconditionally. Does that seem fair to you?

Charizard is definitely one of the most overrated Pokemon in existence. He's NU for a reason, people.

I agree with that. I guess people love him so much because:
1-It'sthe final evolution of a starter;
2-It's dragon-like, and most people think like that:dragons=tough animals;
3-It represents fire, which represents offense...which is what most people want;
4-It appears like a tough guy in the anime, and...
5-It looks awesome.

In the same vein as Charizard, I'm gonna say Mewtwo. It's "big and bad" like Charizard and often receives similar praise. Additionally, it has had his own movie (two in fact), and was the single most overpowered poke in Red/Blue/Yellow, resulting in words like "cool" and "awesome" being used way too liberally around it. To me, it's just plain ugly.

Originally Posted by ghaskan

Eh... out of the ones not mentioned on this thread...

I'd say Mijumaru.

Sure, I do like it, but so does everyone else. I won't even repeat myself at explaining why it is so popular; the quote system is there for something.

Isn't Smugleaf more popular though? Are you perhaps saying that Smugleaf is more deserving of the attention than Mijumaru? Just wondering (and I don't necessarily disagree).

And for those of you saying Garchomp is overrated (competitively) and shouldn't have been Uber'd, you'd better explain yourself. Because "just no" is the response I want to give to that.

Originally Posted by R136a1

Isn't Smugleaf more popular though? Are you perhaps saying that Smugleaf is more deserving of the attention than Mijumaru? Just wondering (and I don't necessarily disagree).

Not saying that. I'd say they're both equally popular (though most recent pools show Miju on the lead). I just found it to be a most interesting case of "hypeness", because Smugleaf was hyped since the beginning, while Miju's popularity appeared out of the blue... well, not per se like I try to prove on my post, but you catch the drift ;)

I agree though... Smugleaf line isn't that good, but it looks cool, it is hyped. Most grass types don't look offensive / arrogant, and most of the fanbase are young boys... and those love offensive, hence why fire type is so popular. Grass types aren't popular because they aren't offensive by nature... and there goes another statement against the ones like Charizard.

Originally Posted by R136a1

In the same vein as Charizard, I'm gonna say Mewtwo. It's "big and bad" like Charizard and often receives similar praise. Additionally, it has had his own movie (two in fact), and was the single most overpowered poke in Red/Blue/Yellow, resulting in words like "cool" and "awesome" being used way too liberally around it. To me, it's just plain ugly.

Mewtwo always reminded me of the Dragon Ball characters, especially Frieza who I thought he was a rip off of and I'm not convinced that he isn't. Ugly to you maybe, but definitely a good member of a Poké team.

Originally Posted by R136a1

And for those of you saying Garchomp is overrated (competitively) and shouldn't have been Uber'd, you'd better explain yourself. Because "just no" is the response I want to give to that.

Ask and you shall recieve.

Too many things outpace non-Scarfed Garchomp, and a lot of those things, such as Weavile and Starmie, pack Ice-type attacks that can slaughter it. Even worse, the big land shark has no Dragon Dance to fix its oh-so-beatable Speed.

Sure, it plays well in Sandstorm, and it can take practically anything that isn't Ice-type, but the Speed is a big issue. Not to mention the fact that its Special Atack is subpar, meaning that it's easily walled (and phazed) by Skarmory, which its Fire Blasts won't be one-hitting anytime soon. I promise you, when Smogon develops a metagame for Black and White, Chomp will stay OU.

Originally Posted by ghaskan

Not saying that. I'd say they're both equally popular (though most recent pools show Miju on the lead). I just found it to be a most interesting case of "hypeness", because Smugleaf was hyped since the beginning, while Miju's popularity appeared out of the blue... well, not per se like I try to prove on my post, but you catch the drift ;)

I agree though... Smugleaf line isn't that good, but it looks cool, it is hyped. Most grass types don't look offensive / arrogant, and most of the fanbase are young boys... and those love offensive, hence why fire type is so popular. Grass types aren't popular because they aren't offensive by nature... and there goes another statement against the ones like Charizard.

Yeah, I can see what you're saying here and I agree. Mijumaru got that "so bad (sad) it's good" hype train riding behind it and you could say it got out of hand, while at least Smugleaf has stayed constant. Good catch at picking Mijumaru out as overrated.

Originally Posted by TaoistNeji

Mewtwo always reminded me of the Dragon Ball characters, especially Frieza who I thought he was a rip off of and I'm not convinced that he isn't. Ugly to you maybe, but definitely a good member of a Poké team.

Well, I don't know about Freeza, but in regards to the second part of your post, Mewtwo is only really spectacular in Gen 1 (where he was an overpowered monster) and Gen 2 (mostly because Lugia was really the only other great Uber at this point). As of Gen 4, he's good for sure, but he's not God tier like Kyogre, Arceus, or even Giratina-O. But yeah, not trying to start an argument, he definitely is still really useful.

Originally Posted by SharKing319

Ask and you shall recieve.

Too many things outpace non-Scarfed Garchomp, and a lot of those things, such as Weavile and Starmie, pack Ice-type attacks that can slaughter it. Even worse, the big land shark has no Dragon Dance to fix its oh-so-beatable Speed.

Sure, it plays well in Sandstorm, and it can take practically anything that isn't Ice-type, but the Speed is a big issue. Not to mention the fact that its Special Atack is subpar, meaning that it's easily walled (and phazed) by Skarmory, which its Fire Blasts won't be one-hitting anytime soon. I promise you, when Smogon develops a metagame for Black and White, Chomp will stay OU.

The thing is, Garchomp often does wear a scarf to function as an excellent revenge killer, turning it's "oh-so-beatable" speed into troll speed that seriously maims the base 100s. If Swords Dance is what you want, Garchomp will often use a Yache Berry to survive ice attacks and kill. As for Skarmory, I know fire fang 2HKOs it but I can't run any calculations now because I need to go to class. So sorry I couldn't give more, but you could consider this to be the foundation of why Chomp is so good.

Oh, and for Gen 5, with that power creep I can see it in OU, but from what the Gen 5 playtesters have been saying, it's still really good.

Arceus, Charizard, Lucario, Arceus, Salamence, Arceus, and uh Arceus.

i think Garchomp is pretty overrated, i mean, it's not that great either. same with Rampardos. and we all can't forget tsutarja....

Most o the psychic ones, they're soooo dodgy

And the ghosts

Originally Posted by G€no$e¢t

i think Garchomp is pretty overrated, i mean, it's not that great either. same with Rampardos. and we all can't forget tsutarja....

In what universe is Rampardos over rated?