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    Quote Originally Posted by Damian Silverblade
    Little detail though : Ho-Oh (the japanese legend, not the pokémon) and Feng-Huang are not different creatures. In fact, Ho-Oh is the japanese word for the bird the chinese call "Feng-Huang".
    It's even closer than that. It's the same word, 鳳凰. "Fèng huáng" is the Mandarin pronunciation, "houou" is the Japanese pronunciation.
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    ... Those two words sound and look nothing like each other. :P

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    There's a good deal of sound change in between. These words were borrowed long before Mandarin as a dialect existed.

    I mean, would you have guessed that pater(nal), vader and father are all the same word? (PIE pəter) How about cord(ial), kard(io) and heart? (PIE kerd-) What of ich, jag, ego and I? (PIE eg)

    Admittedly, the sound changes aren't as transparent as those. Yet, the correspondence between fènghuáng and hōō follows the rules perfectly. Mandarin -ng typically corresponds to either u or i. f generally corresponds to either b or h (which was originally [p]). Mandarin hua is typically reflexed by wa in Japanese. So from there you get hōwau - apply the last two rules - au collapses to ō, and wo merges with o, and you get hōō.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb
    Thought on the seven colors: the phoenix is a bird that symbolizes rebirth and abundance; seven is a number that symbolizes spiritual perfection or completeness.
    Didn't someone here once say that the Asian Phoenix and the Egyptian Phoenix are not related?

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    They're not related at all. I wasn't suggesting that they were. But, anyhow, here's some interesting information about the Japanese and Chinese phoenix and its related mythology.

    http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/ho-oo-phoenix.shtml

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    it mentions the phoenix being enemies/lovers with the dragon
    lets say Lugia was the dragon... dun dun dun
    EDIT: did you guys read the Four Guardians of the Compass? (go to it through Barb's link)
    they could totally make two legendaries to complement Lugia and Ho-oh
    that White Tiger could be a Steel/Flying type
    and the Black Turtle could be a Dark/Water type...
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    In my opinion Ho Oh looks p, in a way, like a heron. I do not know where I got that from.... does anybody agree?
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