Thread: Rocketshipping General Discussion

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I was confused at first...But I think it's kinda nice having a new thread. :) Like, a fresh start...

Originally Posted by Meron

I was browsing Rocketshipping pictures and found this scan:

Anyone know what they say? I only know they aren't saying each others' sames. And for a Hinoarashi focused episode that was something special. xD Reminds me of DP143 (where Hikari got a Hinoarashi too, weird) in a way...

Oh. That episode was adorable! <3 I might've just seen the caps on RG's site, but still. :D

That scene just looks very thoughtful, and sweet!


...And you mean "roarroar,stompstompstomp", right? ;)


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Every time I post lately, I make a new page. :P

Woah, new thread.

I was already confused with the brand new layout xD I had to check a few times to see if I was on the right site.

Anyways I been gone a few days, I came as a newbie so some of you might not know me ;; haha..

Anyways, upon my return back home from camp I decided to bring you guys a gift.

a doodle for you! James is obviously in PJ's :'Y Jess is in her bra? idk? Meowth is in the background not sure what to think of the snuggle, haha.

I probably got the colors wrong, but I blame the yellow/orange lighting.

Below is the sketch.

Okay, gotta go do homework now, hope this put a little smile on your faces :'Y ?

Originally Posted by Luci

a doodle for you! James is obviously in PJ's :'Y Jess is in her bra? idk? Meowth is in the background not sure what to think of the snuggle, haha.

D'awwww! That's so cute! That really made my day. Now I feel the urge to write some RocketShipping fanfiction~.

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

D'awwww! That's so cute! That really made my day. Now I feel the urge to write some RocketShipping fanfiction~.

Thanks Hun :'D <3 glad it made your day.

Originally Posted by Meron

I was browsing Rocketshipping pictures and found this scan:

Anyone know what they say? I only know they aren't saying each others' sames. And for a Hinoarashi focused episode that was something special. xD Reminds me of DP143 (where Hikari got a Hinoarashi too, weird) in a way...

（１）ついにこの日が来たのね。。
（２）Ｎ／Ａ
（３）にゃーたちの栄光の

(1)This day has finally come/ This day finally came
Tsuini ko no hi ga kita no ne...
(2) Can't figure out the kanji here, the furigana is blurred and I tried to guess but it... didn't work :'|
If anyone can tell me what the first furigana on the _?_よう is and　と_?_ then I'll translate, it's not き or を since no matter how much I try the kanji there wont show up when I type that in.
(3)Nya~ Our glory (I think the rest is cut off? the literal translation is "Nya~, we [possesive] glory [possesive]")

Sorry I can't do much for you xD; my Japanese sucks, but at least you know what Jess is saying?

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That reminds me

Maybe Meowth is so "?!" in the picture I drew because from behind it might look really... suggestive in his POV xD with his hands behind Jess, probably touching her bra and his face smack in her chest haha...

The line says "Kyou, kono toki kara". It means "Today, from this time".

Originally Posted by jda95

The line says "Kyou, kono toki kara". It means "Today, from this time".

Thanks, I see it now :'0! I'm not very good with deciphering blurryness. I think "from today on/from now on" sounds more natural in English though, but you are right.

Man, I wish Yonemura would write great stuff like that again. That was such a sweet moment.

Originally Posted by Tuska

@Musashi: I really loved your summary about RocketShipping and especially that you really focused just on the big changes their bond had make. It is good to see the development of their relationship.

Thanks. I'm planning on updating the post as big events happen. Not only will it be easier for all of us to keep track, but new people can get a quick summery of Rocketshipping.

Originally Posted by Tuska

And I loved their appeal, it was really amazing,

Actually we didn't even get that. All we saw was it coming out of its ball.

And to answer the current topic...

Do you want the possible Grand Festival shippyness to be dialogue-heavy or an "action speaks louder than words" thing?

As much as I'd love something that the dub couldn't mess up, I'd really prefer a dialogue hint(s). IMO, they have much more meaning since it's the kind of thing you can't really debate hint wise. I prefer direct shippyness that's obvious to everyone.

Originally Posted by Luci

a doodle for you! James is obviously in PJ's :'Y Jess is in her bra? idk? Meowth is in the background not sure what to think of the snuggle, haha.

Cute! I always love seeing new rocketshippy fan art.

Originally Posted by Meron

Do you want the possible Grand Festival shippyness to be dialogue-heavy or an "action speaks louder than words" thing?

Originally Posted by Musashi

As much as I'd love something that the dub couldn't mess up, I'd really prefer a dialogue hint(s). IMO, they have much more meaning since it's the kind of thing you can't really debate hint wise. I prefer direct shippyness that's obvious to everyone.

Oh, great question!

I agree, I think a dialogue hint would be better because it would have more meaning and is easier to interpret than a hug or handhold (as long as it's not too subtle!) but how about both dialogue and action speak louder than words? I know, that would be too much to ask for, wouldn't it? Hehe

Luci, that fan art is adorable. I noticed you joined to the anthology site, it would be nice too see your artwork there too. ^_^

To answer my topic, I would personally prefer it to be a physical thing this time (if we were ridiculously lucky, there could be blushing!). But to think of it, it would make more sense if Kojiro's words made Musashi feel better. Anything goes, but I think we deserve a nice new hug.

Originally Posted by Musashi

But remember what Musashi said during the two parter where Hikari got her final ribbon. Before the Contest started, she said something about "the Rocket-Dan becoming one". They aren't entirely about her anymore, but as a team. Team episodes do tend to be on the shippy side since the writers finally get to spend time on the bond they all have with each other.

Oh, I almost forgot about it! Thanks for reminding it. I hope that Kojiro (and Nyasu :p) will play some more significant role in her 5th ribbon episode. Especially Kojiro, since it looks like she's going to get her last ribbon with his Manene, hopefully. If it happens, the episode will be about team effort, not only Musashi's. Something like in DP163, only even better, since she's winning last ribbon.

I think Tomioka will continue to expand upon this Contests being a team thing even more once we get to the 5th ribbon/Grand Festival. Things can only get better from here.

Oh, you wrote it arleady, I haven't noticed xD;

I also agree on loving all the unexpected hints we get. As much I love spoiling myself, it is more fun to get an unexpected hint since we don't have time to build it up in our heads only to be disappointed first.

Oh, me likes surprises *claps her hands* Good ones, of course xD

Originally Posted by Meron

I was browsing Rocketshipping pictures and found this scan:

Anyone know what they say? I only know they aren't saying each others' sames. And for a Hinoarashi focused episode that was something special. xD Reminds me of DP143 (where Hikari got a Hinoarashi too, weird) in a way...

Sorry that I ignored it yesterday, but I didn't have time, considering that I'd surely felt an urge to reply to all other stuff if I tried to post on this. But it's been replied to arleady, so ok :)

Originally Posted by Tuska

Than I was a little bit disappointed about the recent episode...it was really awesome that Jessie won another ribbon and that Seviper got a little focus and succsess as well. And I loved their appeal, it was really amazing, but the main focus was really boring, and we couldn't see anything of Sevipers battle =(

Yeah, me too, bu when I thought more about it, I kinda raised my hopes up for the 5th ribbon. 4th ribbon wasn't supposed to be episode focused on her anyway. So, maybe they're saving something really great for the 5th ribbon :3 But, if her 5th ribbon is goinf to be full contest episode, it's practically a given that Tomioka is going to write it. It's not bad, considering that he likes Rocketshipping (but still, he has to learn which lines are proper for whom sometimes...), but I prefer Takegami more, especially that there's a danger that Kojiro may go all "I love you Manene!" when Musashi wins.

I really hope, when she gets her fifth ribbon the main focus is just on Jessie, she deserves it. After all, she never got the focus completely when she won a ribbon.

Sure, until she wins, the focus should be on her, but then she's gonna get congratulations from her friends and that's when it's perfect time for Rocketshipping! ;)

Originally Posted by Insana Dana

I know I didn't post as much in the old thread, but I'm hoping to break tradition and post here when I can.

Hey Dana, nice to see you here again :)

Originally Posted by Meron

There could always be something like that in the Grand Festival: if not a really shippy line, then at least some sweet gesture to make her feel better. I'm sure Kojiro will think of something cute. I actually want it to be something animation-wise, because then there's a smaller chance the dub writers would ruin it, lol. Hmm, maybe we could have a topic about this:

Do you want the possible Grand Festival shippyness to be dialogue-heavy or an "action speaks louder than words" thing?

It depends on a hint we could possibly get ;) I'm ok with either way, but I think that dialogue is more possible in this episode. Especially if they won't have too many opportunities to touch each other. I can see Kojiro cheering on her, and congratulating her and saying that he's proud of her (I'd be really happy if he said that). Maybe we get a joy hug / handhold, who knows.
I don't think we can get any more than that, if you know what I mean. Pokemon is not that kind of show for characters to talk about their feelings so openly and so mature really. But I love how it's not blatant ;)

Originally Posted by Luci

Woah, new thread.

I was already confused with the brand new layout xD I had to check a few times to see if I was on the right site.

Anyways I been gone a few days, I came as a newbie so some of you might not know me ;; haha..

Anyways, upon my return back home from camp I decided to bring you guys a gift.

a doodle for you! James is obviously in PJ's :'Y Jess is in her bra? idk? Meowth is in the background not sure what to think of the snuggle, haha.

I probably got the colors wrong, but I blame the yellow/orange lighting.

Below is the sketch.

Aww, how cute! <3 I love the way Kojiro's snuggling <3

Originally Posted by Musashi

Man, I wish Yonemura would write great stuff like that again. That was such a sweet moment.

Yeah, I wonder why he never did anything like that again? The comfort scene in "Good 'Quil Hunting" was sooooo awesome <3

Thanks. I'm planning on updating the post as big events happen. Not only will it be easier for all of us to keep track, but new people can get a quick summery of Rocketshipping.

What would we do without you :)

As much as I'd love something that the dub couldn't mess up, I'd really prefer a dialogue hint(s). IMO, they have much more meaning since it's the kind of thing you can't really debate hint wise. I prefer direct shippyness that's obvious to everyone.

You mean that Japanese is obvious? ;D

Hmm, I think the opposite - no matter in what language, words can be really interpreted in many different ways. Besides, words can lie or not be meant. Of course I'm not saying that words aren't important. If they're followed by actions, they strengthen them even more. That's why DP117 was so awesome. It had both actions and dialoque :3

And what do you mean by direct shippyness? The only things that would be really direct for me is saying "I love you" or kissing each other. To me, honestly, "I love you" lost their magic after DP117. So if M&K are ever going to confess to each other I'll be probably all "So... what's new?" xD;

It may feel even a little lame, especially after what I've heard lately about "I love you" in Japanese (it's kinda complicated matter)... And now, I'm not really sure if I really want to hear them confessing :< I'd rather want them say "Let's stay together forever" or something like that than "I love you".

Originally Posted by Meron

To answer my topic, I would personally prefer it to be a physical thing this time (if we were ridiculously lucky, there could be blushing!). But to think of it, it would make more sense if Kojiro's words made Musashi feel better. Anything goes, but I think we deserve a nice new hug.

Really, the mix of hug + nice dialogue would be the best combination xD Is it just my wishful thinking? ;)

Originally Posted by jessierocketka

And what do you mean by direct shippyness?

DP117 is what I meant. I just thought of it as a dialogue hint that everyone (even non shippers) seem to agree on. But yeah, I guess there were actions to.

And what did you learn about "I love you" in Japan? I'd be interested to hear that.

Originally Posted by Musashi

DP117 is what I meant. I just thought of it as a dialogue hint that everyone (even non shippers) seem to agree on. But yeah, I guess there were actions to.

Yeah, DP117 was blatant, but yet, it had its magic. Just perfect for me.

And what did you learn about "I love you" in Japan? I'd be interested to hear that.

It's complicated and I'm not sure if I can explain it right. You know, nowadays, young Japanese just say simply "Aishiteru" or "Daisuki/suki da" 'cause it's cool and all. But it's really a western fashion to speak like that.
"Aishiteru" is just a literal translation of "I love you", but it really doesn't convey the feeling, so it doesn't feel natural for Japanese really (some youths refuse to speak like that even nowadays, "because they're Japanese"). Love is always abstract, but it's even more abstract to the Japanese. They even didn't know such a word, until Meiji period, when they started to translate English literature. They always used their own, made-up quotes to convey the feeling of love. They've never used anything direct as it would just spoil everything. And such words were enough for them.

Natsume Soseki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natsume_S%C5%8Dseki) translated English phrase "I love you" as "When I'm with you, the moon is so beautiful". Of course, it was over 100 years ago, but still, it's one of the examples that show how Japanese described the feeling of love.

When I heard the lines in DP117, they felt like taken from classic shinjuu (double suicides of lovers) story just minus all that poetic-sounding crap. You know, with all that sacrifice, having no regrets about their lives, all that sacrifice and finally with "If there's a next world after we die, let's meet again" line (it also reminds me of red thread of fate beliefs). Especially, considering that writers just LOVE references to Japanese culture. Of course, it's not a direct reference, but it seems to me like it's hinting at shinjuu's stories and their form overall. Something like "Aishiteru" or "Daisuki/suki da" would feel out of place here and simply silly.

But really, the line like this, can be easily interpreted as a confession of love, no matter of time, culture or language. As for me, "I love you" are just the words that everyone can say nowadays and not mean it. But DP117 line is something that was really honest and sincere and it fully conveyed the message of how she feels about him and cares.

Maybe it's just me, but while in dub, confession scene with words "I love you" would be ok, I feel like "Aishiteru" won't feel right for Musashi and Kojiro, since it feels even emptier word than "I love you" and we know arleady that they can use much more "original" wording than it.

I'm sorry that it sounds chaotic but I don't have any idea how to explain it better D:

Jeska, thank you for explaining that. It makes me love DP117 even more. <3 And they did say real Japanese double suicide lines in the CD drama, remember?

Even if it's just cultural difference, the Japanese version of love seems so romantic to me... I just realized that that is one of the reasons why I like the Japanese version of Pocket Monsters so much. I can see the finale, Kojiro saying to Musashi that "he wants to continue his journey with her" even after the Rocket-dan... Aww... *feels all mushy* Would it be too strong if they confessed that the other makes his/her life much happier?

Awww, I love that picture, it is just too cute <3

That is definitely one of my favorite shippy moments. The first time I saw that episode and Kojiro took her hands my heart almost exploded and I couldn't stop smiling for awhile (although that tends to happen with every shippy moment)

It was just too sweet because Kojiro showed so much concern for Musashi's well being in that little moment.

You're right, this is a great example what I miss nowadays. Back then we got cute stuff in episodes with non Rocket focus as well... it's a shame the writer don't gave us such cute sidestories like in EP142 anymore.

It was just too sweet because Kojiro showed so much concern for Musashi's well being in that little moment.

I could cry if I see this scene =)

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So to honor this episode two pics =) And you're right too it is really sweet how he's trying to comfort her. What was btw said in the original? The dub gave us a line, where she blames the weather for her crying, and it sounds alomost like an scene, where the dub would change something into less shippy^^ Can somebody help me, please?

Hi Tuska!

I totally forgot about Princess Vs Princess! And that's another moment where Kojiro expressed his concern over Musashi And yes, I agree with you I think his actions do speak louder than words sometimes in his attitudes about the contests. Showing his support through cheering is good enough to understand how much he supports her now.

Hey Paperhorse,

I don't know if I had ever greet you correctly but as I was stalking this thread for some time again (like back in the time before I was joining^^) and I read most of your posts it seems to me like I know you already very good XD So forgive me, if I never had welcome you in the thread properly =)

Yes EP52 was a great episode =) The one flaw it had, was Jessie loosing to Misty, but that's all. That they tried to comfort Jessie in the end was really moving =) Btw somebody notice how his attitude changed during this episode? In the beginning he didn't want Jessie to use Weezing but after she told this heartbreaking story of hers, he supported her completely and was even desperate when she seemed to have lost. He really made change within one episode =)

I'm glad he changed his opinion to the contest at last. BTW, when was the turning point? When Jessie won her first ribbon? I can't quiet remember.

There could always be something like that in the Grand Festival: if not a really shippy line, then at least some sweet gesture to make her feel better. I'm sure Kojiro will think of something cute. I actually want it to be something animation-wise, because then there's a smaller chance the dub writers would ruin it, lol. Hmm, maybe we could have a topic about this:

That's right. Good thing about Kanto was, that those animated Rocketshipping scenes couldn't completely ruined by the dub. Like in the forementioned EP142, the dialouge was kind of strange, that's why I wondered if this was also this way in the japanese version? Even if the dialouge about weather seems odd to me, the handhold and all of them with tears in their eyes were still moving. And the end scenes in EP48/52 could never losse their awesomeness with this animation.

Once again I can't think of something cute he could make to make her feel better =) I would be a lousy writer I think.

Do you want the possible Grand Festival shippyness to be dialogue-heavy or an "action speaks louder than words" thing?

Since I'm a fan of both, awesome animated romantic scenes like in Holy Matrimony AND awesome dialouge which show us their strong bond like in DP117 I wouldn't prefere anything. I would be really happy if both would happen =) But I'm afraid if anything will happen then just one of the possibilites.

Thanks. I'm planning on updating the post as big events happen. Not only will it be easier for all of us to keep track, but new people can get a quick summery of Rocketshipping.

A really great idea! =)

Actually we didn't even get that. All we saw was it coming out of its ball.

WHAT? So I got the scene wrong^^ The could at least show, what Seviper had made in the contest^^ Nobody cares for a guy who isn't interested in Pokémon, seems to be a crime in this universe^^ Anyway it was awesome then how it came out of the ball =) But again, shame on the writers^^ I'm disappointed even more now.
So no focus for Seviper, at least a succsess.

but how about both dialogue and action speak louder than words? I know, that would be too much to ask for, wouldn't it? Hehe

As you hopefully read: I so AGREE with you. :)

Yeah, me too, bu when I thought more about it, I kinda raised my hopes up for the 5th ribbon. 4th ribbon wasn't supposed to be episode focused on her anyway. So, maybe they're saving something really great for the 5th ribbon :3 But, if her 5th ribbon is goinf to be full contest episode, it's practically a given that Tomioka is going to write it. It's not bad, considering that he likes Rocketshipping

I'm really surprised anyway, that the writers take the time to let Jessie get her 5 ribbons for the festival...really an improvement (if this is the correct word?)

That's why DP117 was so awesome. It had both actions and dialoque :3

Which makes it to one of the most awesome episodes =) And just a few days more...HOORAY! I can't wait for it in german.

Do you want the possible Grand Festival shippyness to be dialogue-heavy or an "action speaks louder than words" thing?

Hm...I dunno. I tend to like the visual hints more because I've always been a visual thinker anyway. But I think that every so often we need dialogue shippyness... or a combination of the two. To mix things up, I suppose. And besides, many of the best hints have been in dialogue...although, then again, of course there is always the possibility of the dubbers screwing it up...

*shrugs*