Thread: Rocketshipping General Discussion

Originally Posted by ShinyAeon

(For instance: James's phobic reaction to the thought of being married to Jessie in "Sweet Baby James" was NOT anti-Rocketshipping in my view. It was, at most, anti-traditional-marriage-with-sterotypical-domestic-arrangements. Given the situation (being in his "summer home," having his fiance mentioned) I'd say James had a moment of conflating Jessie with Jessebelle and assumed, in his panic, that getting married would turn Jessie INTO someone like her doppleganger and mean they had to suddenly settle down like a good little domestic couple. It was that that James was rejecting, IMHO, not Jessie.)

QFT. I've never considered this scene as being as bad as some other people has been implying (some even thought that Rocketshipping is dead because of this scene! XD) And now I think the same as you :D

I consider the fact that Musashi and Kojiro in this episode acted like total bastards towards each other as much worse thing. But that's in the past, let's be happy :D

'Cause of the insults? Well, just remember, Americans are much more prone to "friendly insults" than the Japanese...that is, insults that don't mean anything, really; they're just a kind of...casual banter. My friends and I do it all the time. (We also support each other when we actually need it.) (Hey, our nation was formed around people who were outcasts, ne'er-do-wells, and troublemakers; of course we're going to have a boisterous and competitive style of interaction! )

And, as I said, I will mentally "edit in" important interactions from the original dialog and make them part of the dub continuity in my head, in subtext if not in text.

They're not only mere insults, but like Ii kanji arleady said, their character are dfferent as well. Jessie is much more egoistical, and she's often portrayed as vain bitch, and James is well... James. He seems far less intelligent than Kojiro and he fails at being serious. Not to mention his jerkiness. And does the dub still do "JIG" jokes?

Originally Posted by Musashi

You're right. Adding on to what you said, (which I agree with) It was also a shippy hint from Musashi.

In fact, I think that is the most ignored hint.

Oh, poor Oohashi, never appreciated enough ;)

That may work for you, but it doesn't for me. I can write fic after fic about Contest shippyness, (which I think I pretty much have...) but if nothing happens at the GF, they all become meaningless to me, and I'll have to move to something new.

Oh I know how you feel. I remember how I used to write pretty long essays on Team Rocket and Rocketshipping when I was 14. Now when I read them, I can't help but to laugh out loud, as I knew bullshit about TR/RS back then xD; And I was convinced that I knew everything, pfff...

Or to put it simply, fanwank doesn't work for everyone. Some of us only care about canon stuff that happens on the show.

Fanwank would work for me only at the end of the show, if Rocketshipping wouldn't become official canon. It's canon to me now anyway ;D Just make them stay together forever and I'll be happy as never

Originally Posted by Neopuff

There's also an easily misinterpreted WrongRocketshippy line from Jessie in the dub, but I'm gonna try to tone it down with the perviness for a bit XD I love how angry she gets.

"James? Little? Since when!?"

As much as I hate dub, I love such lines xD But the truth about such lines is, they're random. The dub writers just put whatever that sounds funny, shippy or anti-shippy, no matter what it takes

Honestly, it just varies from episode to episode. Sometimes the dub-script-writers have the opportunity to switch things around, but a lot of body language in the animation won't let them change it too much :P While Kojiro's body is showing how empathetic he is towards Musashi's loss, they can't make him say "I can't believe she's not angry!" 'cause even little kids would find it confusing haha.

I couldn't believe that they were able to make Jessie mention her nails and hair while she was hugging her friends after the reunion either...

Sometimes, if the line is stupid enough, it just can spoil any body language.

Originally Posted by ii kanji

Not to devalue what you are saying (which is very valid indeed) but I don't think Kojiro said that Musashi shouldn't take Matadogas - IIRC he was just like "Whaaat? You took him already without asking me? D:"

Even if so, it doesn't make the point any less valid ;D

I agree! As much as people say that they were closer in Kanto, I don't think they actually were. They could both still act mean and selfishly. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they've actually been selfish recently at all.

In comparison to the old times, they're much less selfish for sure. And it looks like they're less and less selfish as the time passes, so that's good :D

I doubt it somehow :(
Personally, I think our best hope is for her to lose early and then the Rockets' screentime during the remainder of the GF can be devoted to her being depressed/cheered up.

I just want it to happen, I don't really care how Tomioka is going to solve it, during or after GF.

Originally Posted by Poliwhirl42

What do you guys think about their relationship in the Johto region? We talk plenty about Sinnoh (obviously) and Kanto, and sometimes we'll throw in some stuff about AG, but what about my favorite region?

Apart from the most awesome comforting scene ever and two of the most shippiest motto ever, some cute hugs and hand holds we didin't get much... Jouto was the first series of shipping decline, but at least, it wasn't as anti-shippy like AG was, so I'm pretty much neutral about it. It just became dull about shipping

Originally Posted by jessierocketka

They're not only mere insults, but like Ii kanji arleady said, their character are dfferent as well. Jessie is much more egoistical, and she's often portrayed as vain bitch, and James is well... James. He seems far less intelligent than Kojiro and he fails at being serious. Not to mention his jerkiness. And does the dub still do "JIG" jokes?

But James is cute for his lack of intelligence! Although I like Kojiro, too, for being more serious- especially in the famous "campfire-Hoso scene".

What are "JIG" jokes? Sorry about my misunderstandings haha.

(Third time editing this post xD) Oh, NOW I get it..."James is gay" jokes? Nah, and I hope there are no more!

As much as I hate dub, I love such lines xD But the truth about such lines is, they're random. The dub writers just put whatever that sounds funny, shippy or anti-shippy, no matter what it takes

I know, some stuff is just stupid- why couldn't they put "shut up" instead of "knock it off" for one of Satoshi's lines? Seriously, "Shut up" is obviously not considered cursing. And I miss the adult humor from the old episodes, too. But sometimes, there's clever little things that they add in there that make it better to watch than the original; *ahem*:

"Y'know James, I've never felt this close to you before."

"I feel the same way about you...and Wobbuffet."

I think I already mentioned this awhile back, but it wasn't considered shippy because it was a dub-only line. Aww, it's just so cute, but I wish he hadn't added "and Wobbuffet" in there...

Goodnight, guys (or whoever is on)!

Originally Posted by Poliwhirl42

What do you guys think about their relationship in the Johto region? We talk plenty about Sinnoh (obviously) and Kanto, and sometimes we'll throw in some stuff about AG, but what about my favorite region?

I can't really think of anything big, just a lot of touching and stuff like that. I don't really remember much of Johto haha XD

However, I think she cried when she lost the Wallace Cup, did she? I'm not sure...

If she did, I need that episode fff. There are not enough clips of Musashi crying to use for AMVs >:c But I finally got DP073 to work and her tears in that one are peerrffeectt /random

Originally Posted by Poliwhirl42

especially "Dues and Don'ts"- I don't think there was anything shippy that episode though.

There wasn't, but I adore that episode! Whoever did the art for that one and "Wayward Wobbuffet" is my favorite omgosh. At least I think it's the same one, the art looks the same.

Originally Posted by jessierocketka

QFT. I've never considered this scene as being as bad as some other people has been implying (some even thought that Rocketshipping is dead because of this scene! XD) And now I think the same as you :D

Count me in to this group! xD I remember looking through some old stuff and seeing people claim Rocketshipping was no-more at that point. I just love Musashi's angry-face at his comment haha.

Not to mention his jerkiness. And does the dub still do "JIG" jokes?

Although America is supposed to be more supportive of gays in recent times [not that Kojiro is, but], it seems like so much as implying something in TV shows for little kids will attract a lawsuit. So there haven't been near as many gay jokes for James as there were in the past, especially now that Eric Stewert [sp?] is off the team. The "worst" I can think of is in DP117 when he calls Jessie "Girlfriend!" which really doesn't say anything at all, but those obsessors on youtube with their "gay-James-dub-hints" would use it in half a second.

"James? Little? Since when!?"

I'm so glad I wasn't the only one to catch that line. It seemed to me like it wasn't even meant to sound that way like some dub lines haha.

Originally Posted by Poliwhirl42

"Y'know James, I've never felt this close to you before."

"I feel the same way about you...and Wobbuffet."

Haha, I love that scene. It was so...absolutely random XD

T_T Waaaaaah guys! Sogo is writing the next ep... (Not that it means much anyway, but if it had been Takegami like we'd hoped we might have got something. Though to be fair, Sogo did write roarroarstompstomp!)

Originally Posted by Poliwhirl42

"Dues and Don'ts"- I don't think there was anything shippy that episode though.

Nope.

Originally Posted by jessierocketka

And does the dub still do "JIG" jokes?

Not since Stuart left.
Unfortunately, that was also the birth of axe-murderer-Meowth and various other less than pleasing things, like PUSA/TPCI's love of insults.

Originally Posted by Poliwhirl42

But sometimes, there's clever little things that they add in there that make it better to watch than the original;

As nice as that line may be, I would hardly say it makes the dub better to watch than the original. The dub throwing us small bones from time to time really can't make up for the fact that they have not only completely decharacterised the TRio, but also fucked up their relationship.

Originally Posted by Neopuff

There wasn't, but I adore that episode! Whoever did the art for that one and "Wayward Wobbuffet" is my favorite omgosh. At least I think it's the same one, the art looks the same.

Iwane n'est-ce pas? (Who also gives us the best fearhugs :D)

I'm getting that yana kanji feeling about next week's episode... The same kind of worry when we were wondering if Musashi was going to steal the ribbon earlier this spring. What if Kojiro and Nyasu abandon her again or something? ;_;

Maybe Tomioka won't let Sogo do that... Plus, I shouldn't mix new DP with early DP.

Originally Posted by ii kanji

As nice as that line may be, I would hardly say it makes the dub better to watch than the original. The dub throwing us small bones from time to time really can't make up for the fact that they have not only completely decharacterised the TRio, but also fucked up their relationship.

This. I did love dub Team Rocket when I marathoned through the anime, but I didn't know of anything better! Though, TPCI dub made me love them less of course... But at that time I started to learn about the original version, fortunately. <3 Btw, I never found that "close to you" line as shippy, more like a joke towards the shippers.

The only good thing about the new dub is that James calls Jessie "our girl" or "poor girl" sometimes. And Jessie called him "love" in Noodles Roaming Off. :P

Originally Posted by Meron

What if Kojiro and Nyasu abandon her again or something? ;_;

I'm getting that yana kanji feeling a bit myself D: After all, Sogo wrote Rakurai... And especially as the new summary says something about Musashi forgetting the kindness they showed to her (i.e. last week) BUT hopefully character development and stuff are such that Kojiro and Nyasu won't leave her or anything again.

And Jessie called him "love" in Noodles Roaming Off. :P

She did? xD When was that?

Originally Posted by Meron

I'm getting that yana kanji feeling about next week's episode... The same kind of worry when we were wondering if Musashi was going to steal the ribbon earlier this spring. What if Kojiro and Nyasu abandon her again or something? ;_;

Maybe Tomioka won't let Sogo do that... Plus, I shouldn't mix new DP with early DP.

Originally Posted by ii kanji

I'm getting that yana kanji feeling a bit myself D: After all, Sogo wrote Rakurai... And especially as the new summary says something about Musashi forgetting the kindness they showed to her (i.e. last week) BUT hopefully character development and stuff are such that Kojiro and Nyasu won't leave her or anything again.

The part about Musashi forgetting the kindness they showed her is disturbing, although I've been thinking that we really don't have to worry about it too much. I mean, how can they forget about the character development in last week's episode? In early DP, maybe, but since late DP has been so consistent with her character it probably won't be a big deal at all (at least I really hope so!)

And since Sogo did write DP143, I'm willing to hope for the best

Also, since there's going to be more "shocking information" shown, maybe it will be more GF preview! Maybe Musashi will be in some footage!

]The only good thing about the new dub is that James calls Jessie "our girl" or "poor girl" sometimes. And Jessie called him "love" in Noodles Roaming Off. :P

I always liked that the dub had James call her "our girl!" It's just so cute.

Originally Posted by Paperhorse108

The part about Musashi forgetting the kindness they showed her is disturbing, although I've been thinking that we really don't have to worry about it too much. I mean, how can they forget about the character development in last week's episode? In early DP, maybe, but since late DP has been so consistent with her character it probably won't be a big deal at all (at least I really hope so!)

If anything, the Musashi forgetting the kindness stuff is a bit weird. I mean, it wasn't Hikari who did that, and Satoshi-tachi don't know that Musashi = Musalina. So short of revealing her identity and that Hikari switched places with Salvia, I don't know how this issue can even be brought up to be solved. It's a bit bizarre actually :/

Also, since there's going to be more "shocking information" shown, maybe it will be more GF preview! Maybe Musashi will be in some footage!

Now here's something to really hope for! Let's hope for a new dress too!!

Originally Posted by Neopuff

Although America is supposed to be more supportive of gays in recent times [not that Kojiro is, but], it seems like so much as implying something in TV shows for little kids will attract a lawsuit. So there haven't been near as many gay jokes for James as there were in the past, especially now that Eric Stewert [sp?] is off the team. The "worst" I can think of is in DP117 when he calls Jessie "Girlfriend!" which really doesn't say anything at all, but those obsessors on youtube with their "gay-James-dub-hints" would use it in half a second.

It doesn't have anything to do with gay support ("Let's show gays some support and make a gay out of hetero person just to make him appealing to them! We don't even know how do the gays act, so let's keep it stereotypical! Yayz, we're so modern and politically correct now..."). I always thought they want to appeal to adult audience with such lines. Because any sexual innuendo sells great among adults. Especially if it's a funny one. Who cares whether he's supposed to be gay or hetero, it's just a cartoon after all, it has to be funny... Oh, how I hate such approach :P

I'm so glad I wasn't the only one to catch that line. It seemed to me like it wasn't even meant to sound that way like some dub lines haha.

I remember it was pretty famous line ;D

Originally Posted by ii kanji

T_T Waaaaaah guys! Sogo is writing the next ep... (Not that it means much anyway, but if it had been Takegami like we'd hoped we might have got something. Though to be fair, Sogo did write roarroarstompstomp!)

Originally Posted by Meron

I'm getting that yana kanji feeling about next week's episode... The same kind of worry when we were wondering if Musashi was going to steal the ribbon earlier this spring. What if Kojiro and Nyasu abandon her again or something? ;_;

Maybe Tomioka won't let Sogo do that... Plus, I shouldn't mix new DP with early DP.

Originally Posted by Paperhorse108

The part about Musashi forgetting the kindness they showed her is disturbing, although I've been thinking that we really don't have to worry about it too much. I mean, how can they forget about the character development in last week's episode? In early DP, maybe, but since late DP has been so consistent with her character it probably won't be a big deal at all (at least I really hope so!)

And since Sogo did write DP143, I'm willing to hope for the best

Also, since there's going to be more "shocking information" shown, maybe it will be more GF preview! Maybe Musashi will be in some footage!

Wowowowowow. Gals, slowly, I don't even have any idea about what you're talking about, let alone the people who are reading this thread randomly

Synopsis (in Japanese) or it didn't happen (I guess it's a Newtype one?) From what I see, there's nothing to panic about, especially bearing in mind how much you've been panicking about "Musashi stealing a ribbon" rumor earlier And Japanese can be easily misinterpreted, as even natives have problem with that.
Until Tomioka is the main writer, everything is gonna be alright. We arleady know how much he influences other writers, and such a thing would only mess up all his work.

Originally Posted by ii kanji

As nice as that line may be, I would hardly say it makes the dub better to watch than the original. The dub throwing us small bones from time to time really can't make up for the fact that they have not only completely decharacterised the TRio, but also fucked up their relationship.

Thats right, but I don't even think that they put in such line to "throw us a bone", but it's just because they think it fits the situation they're in a funny way.

Originally Posted by jessierocketka

Synopsis (in Japanese) or it didn't happen (I guess it's a Newtype one?)

Talk to RG :P She said so on Facebook! We're just mindless sheep who took her word. To quote her:

Sogo is writing DP172. Sorry guys. :(
...
The only new thing the summery has is the Rocket-Dan forgetting the kindness they were shown.

Originally Posted by ii kanji

Talk to RG :P She said so on Facebook! We're just mindless sheep who took her word.

Jeska is right though, you guys need to calm down, if you check Facebook again...

But I don't think I explained the summery quite right. They're attracted by Togekiss's elegance movements, and they appear before Hikari and forget the kindness they were shown. (Note it's just the Rocket-Dan, not Musashi). I'm not sure why "Hikari" giving Musashi the ribbon means they shouldn't be attacking. Musashi has every right to be pissed about her pity ribbon. But I wonder if they'll figure out it wasn't Hikari in the last Contest.

I'm not sure, but we're not going to have another Rakurai Center two episodes before the GF. Tomioka wont just let Sogo shit all over his work like that, especially after DP143.

So sorry I made you guys worry. I didn't even think you'd take it that way. (Especially since Muskippa is shown fighting as well.) Besides we have a much bigger problem than next week's episode. Fujita is writing the second episode of the GF. I don't think people realize just why that's so important, so let me explain.

Tomioka has written every Contest episode from the Houen GF until Musashi's 4th and 5th ribbon (with the exception of Haruka's 2nd BF ribbon). Yes, he's written that many. So if Fujita is writing the second GF episode, something is up. And to make it more interesting (and to relate it back to Rocketshipping), the second episode sounds like the beginning of the battle round, which means that Musashi more than likely goes out in this episode.

So the question then becomes, why is Tomioka once again passing off Musashi's loss to Fujita again? We all loved DP171 and all, but it's just not the same as Tomioka writing it. And just why Tomioka isn't writing such an important episode, (because no offense, Musashi's 4th and 5th ribbons aren't really as critical as Hikari's Contest episodes) greatly concerns me, and even 2ch is upset and wonders what's up.

And this actually does effect Rocketshipping greatly. Tomioka is the one who started modern Rocketshipping, and it's been said in a magazine awhile back that Musashi wouldn't have even been in the GF without him. I wont go into the various theories I have yet since we still need more information, but we should all pay attention as to who writes the remaining GF episodes.

Originally Posted by Musashi

You have a real charisma

Tomioka has written every Contest episode from the Houen GF until Musashi's 4th and 5th ribbon (with the exception of Haruka's 2nd BF ribbon). Yes, he's written that many. So if Fujita is writing the second GF episode, something is up. And to make it more interesting (and to relate it back to Rocketshipping), the second episode sounds like the beginning of the battle round, which means that Musashi more than likely goes out in this episode.

So if Fujita is writing the second GF episode, it means that Musashi must lose in it?

So the question then becomes, why is Tomioka once again passing off Musashi's loss to Fujita again? We all loved DP171 and all, but it's just not the same as Tomioka writing it. And just why Tomioka isn't writing such an important episode, (because no offense, Musashi's 4th and 5th ribbons aren't really as critical as Hikari's Contest episodes) greatly concerns me, and even 2ch is upset and wonders what's up.

I'm still not sure what to think about it yet either. I'm so confused that I'm changing my mind about it every 5 minutes.

And this actually does effect Rocketshipping greatly. Tomioka is the one who started modern Rocketshipping, and it's been said in a magazine awhile back that Musashi wouldn't have even been in the GF without him. I wont go into the various theories I have yet since we still need more information, but we should all pay attention as to who writes the remaining GF episodes.

No, no, it hasn't been said in a magazine, someone on 2ch said so. Sorry if I confused you.

Originally Posted by jessierocketka

So if Fujita is writing the second GF episode, it means that Musashi must lose in it?

More like Musashi will mostly likely lose in the second GF episode (though we'd all love to be proven wrong) so that's why it's strange Fujita is writing it.

Originally Posted by jessierocketka

I'm still not sure what to think about it yet either. I'm so confused that I'm changing my mind about it every 5 minutes.

Tell me about it. This whole writer thing certainly is confusing.

Originally Posted by jessierocketka

No, no, it hasn't been said in a magazine, someone on 2ch said so. Sorry if I confused you.

Oops. Sorry, I thought you meant that that was in the magazine as well. Never mind then.

I do have some good news to report. The animator/storyborder for DP153 (Shimura/Matsui) will also be working on the first GF episode! And with Tomioka writing, I think we have a good chance for a shippy start.

Originally Posted by Musashi

More like Musashi will mostly likely lose in the second GF episode (though we'd all love to be proven wrong) so that's why it's strange Fujita is writing it.

I don't think it's that awful, considering he was the one who wrote DP171 ;D If Tomioka really helped him with this episode then I think he would help him even more with the GF episode. And if he didn't, it just means that we have another Rocketshipper among writer's staff xD

I do have some good news to report. The animator/storyborder for DP153 (Shimura/Matsui) will also be working on the first GF episode! And with Tomioka writing, I think we have a good chance for a shippy start.

Shimura!!! <3
Yayz for Rocketshipping alliance!

Originally Posted by Musashi

We all loved DP171 and all, but it's just not the same as Tomioka writing it.

If I'm honest, I don't really know what you mean by this. Assuming that Tomioka really didn't give Fujita a hand with DP 171, doesn't that then show that Fujita is just another good Musashi(/Rocketshippy) writer? Frankly Musashi and Kojiro's scenes in DP 171 were better than those in any of Tomioka's contest eps thus far. Obviously this is all part of Tomioka's grand scheme, but as you yourself said back then - credit where credit's due - Fujita did write it.

ATM I'm not particularly worried about this development.

And this actually does effect Rocketshipping greatly. Tomioka is the one who started modern Rocketshipping...

And there's no reason why Fujita couldn't and wouldn't carry it on for him in as good a way as he did in DP 171

Originally Posted by jessierocketka

You have a real charisma

Not really It's just cuz she acts like a know-it-all!!

Originally Posted by Musashi

I do have some good news to report. The animator/storyborder for DP153 (Shimura/Matsui) will also be working on the first GF episode! And with Tomioka writing, I think we have a good chance for a shippy start.

But THIS deserves a definite:
:7up: