Which 3 episodes would you use to promote Pokéshipping to someone who has never seen the Original Series?
First, if you mean just the first season, then here it is. Ghost of Maiden's Peak would be the first. They're pretty touchy throughout the episode and then there's the end bit, which needs no explanation. Then there's Tower of Terror, where we've got the hand holding in the beginning of the episode, and the Ash-comes-back-to-life moment where Misty seems to be pretty emotional, which pretty well establishes Misty's side. The last one is tougher. There aren't really any big episodes besides those. I guess I'd have to go with Princess vs. Princess for the Ash jealousy, which establishes Ash's side.
Second, if you mean anything from the first five seasons, that makes it harder. I think Misty Meets Her Match establishes Misty's side better than everything but Pokemon 2000, especially the foreshadowing at the end, so I'll go with that one. On Ash's side, I'd have to go with Navel Maneuvers for the higher levels of Ash jealousy. And for my third, I'd have to go with Pokeball Peril, because it's just so obvious. If movies count, I'd replace Misty Meets her Match with Pokemon 2000. For good measure, my runner-ups are Love, Pokemon Style, for the rampant Misty jealousy, Ghost of Maiden's Peak, and Gotta Catch Ya Later (to contrast Ash's state after Misty's departure to his state after the other leads' departures).
The problem would be convincing them of Ash's side. With Navel Maneuvers, you'd probably have to argue that Ash's behavior only makes sense in light of having some kind of romantic inkling for her, whether he knows it or not.
I suppose that's the main reason why some people disregard Pokéshipping. I think the person would just have to be persuaded to believe that Ash is too young at the moment to realise his feelings for himself, but given the interventions from other characters (such as Rudy at the end of Misty Meets Her Match) and the fact that the Orange Islands season seemed to really push Pokéshipping, it's likely that it could happen one day (like the series Epilogue that we've frequently talked about).The problem would be convincing them of Ash's side. With Navel Maneuvers, you'd probably have to argue that Ash's behavior only makes sense in light of having some kind of romantic inkling for her, whether he knows it or not.
And obviously I'm sure they'd need no further convincing from Misty's side once they'd seen the episodes above. It's pretty obvious that she's besotted, haha.
But yeah, the Ash side is where you lose a lot of people. I think a lot of people think you need romantic comedy levels of obviousness to have a ship be valid, but you're not always going to be watching a romantic comedy. Sometimes it's subtle and sometimes romance doesn't consist of A:"I love you more than everything in the world!" B:"Oh, I love you more than that!" type stuff. When you view the world in black and white, you miss out on a lot of detail.
It can also mean obsessed, which is what I was trying to get across in the post, but I guess I could have been clearer in what I meant. That's what I get for trying to use long words, hahaBesotted? That's a new one. I always thought it meant "drunk". I guess it makes a sort of sense either way, lol.
Also, the last two frames in that comic are priceless. Never liked his new eyes either.
It makes the most sense due to the things the creators implemented into the show.
Just a lonely Hoenn fanboy floating around the internet, yeah.
And while yes, I agree, I don't think your reasons for Pokéshipping making sense are specific enough for me to agree. What you're thinking of and what I'm thinking of could easily be very different with something as vague as "the things the creators implemented in the show". That honestly could refer to anything and everything in the show.
I'm sorry for being critical, I just feel that posts shouldn't be made if they're not contributing to or otherwise stimulating conversation (in a good way), because it doesn't do anything to post something unimportant or nonspecific. But that's just my opinion.
Just checking, is Pokeshipping day the 7th of November? I forgot which day it was last year so I thought I'd better check ahead of time this year.
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Yes. It's on November 7.Just checking, is Pokeshipping day the 7th of November? I forgot which day it was last year so I thought I'd better check ahead of time this year.
we should try making some activities for the day.. if you guys like...
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So how about a topic:
Is there anything that about Pokeshipping or the general Pokeshipping fandom (fanfics, fanart, people, ect.) that bothers you?
For me, it's high school fics. Just can't do it. That and people who comment on youtube videos, et al. and clearly have no idea what they're talking about, for or against Pokeshipping. "There was a banned episode where they kissed" comes to mind. Also, fics where Ash being "The Chosen One" is brought up and applied to the fic's plot. It sucks the life out of the plot. If he's the Chosen One, there is not a single drop of dramatic tension. "Will he overcome challenges x, y, and z?!?!?!?!?!?" Of course he will, he's the freaking Chosen One. It's like starting a story with "This is a story of how the good guys win out in the end." "How the heck is he going to get out of this mess?" isn't an interesting question if it's no longer a matter of if and simply a matter ofhow. Not specifically Pokeshipping related, but I've been seeing it more and more lately.
To answer the topic, for me it's people who accept Pokeshipping, but only as a one-sided shipping with claims that Ash has absolutely no hints of his own. I'll agree that the Ash hints take a lot more searching for than the Misty hints, but they're definitely there, and actually I prefer some of them to Misty's hints (like 'Navel Maneuvers' and 'The Ghost of Maiden's Peak').
I suppose on the plus side, though, it's interesting that these people never seem to argue against the Misty side of Pokeshipping. Even the most militant of anti-Pokeshippers I've come across tend to regard Misty's crush on Ash as a matter of fact rather than just a fan observation (albeit one that's hugely backed-up by evidence).
What annoys me in fics that involve Misty, is that there's a tendency to forget Misty's goal. She had her own goal that didn't revolve around Ash. Most Pokeship fics either have Misty stay in the gym with slight progress or she leaves to travel with Ash without any notable strides towards her aspiration. I can only remember one fic where Misty became good enough to be invited as an E4 member. Sometimes it seems like only Ash is allowed to become better and reach his goal. I understand when they do this in the show, because he is the main character, but fanfic allows writers the opportunities to go beyond the show.
I another thing that bothers me in fics is the bashing of Misty's sisters. Yes, they forced her back into the gym, but you don't have to kill them over it.