I'm not exactly sure. I'm not caught up.@Ren the Ryoko: Oh yesh of course =D Is the anime already at the Sinnoh League or before that? Because I really want Gary to be there... I mean, he HAS to be there. Gary is also in Sinnoh, so he got no excuse.
I want Gary there so bad.
But we still saw Ash want to battle Gary and prove himself to him.
For Ash and Gary, it went from an interesting, unpredictable, nuanced relationship to another run-of-the-mill buddy one. Just like the majority of the cast.
There is nothing to prove now that Gary is a researcher.
Since the show is from the POV of the heroes, it's Ash's victories that mean a finality. Once he defeats someone that he hadn't, or couldn't before, that part of his plot is over (excluding League battles and opponents he's meant to lose to, keeping him from the win, to keep his journey going).
We've actually yet to meet a character who hunts Ash down because Ash beat them, turning the tables on that sort of character convenience.
The reason Ash doesn't have the same feelings of rivalry is because he's already beaten Gary. It'll happen to Paul too. If he beats Paul in the League, Paul's gone with perhaps minor reconciliation (you don't see the error in your ways from being tromped).
Gary's character arc in relation to Ash ending in Johto; the rivalry is gone. The friendship is still there, however. Just because it's not simmering with Ash being an idiot like he used to...it says something.
Offtopic, but did anyone notice that all pokemon shippers on youtube are...slightly overweight?
Anyway, its still too bad that the whole Satoshi-Shigeru rivalry died now, that's what made the original series so unique. Not its more on the bland side, i guess that's why the shippings exploded within a few years that was the only way to maintain the initial interest on the anime.
But on-topic now. In an alternate future, Gary is a gym leader and Ash a pokemon master, how will their relationship be like then?
"You're a true Samurai, being loyal to such a stupid Master." -Seijuro Hiko
Now, when Ash argues with Dawn they always have to make up. Then Dawn holding back celebrating with Zoey and planning of her next journey to support Ash in the League. So before it was about camaraderie instead of friendship. Since she is the closest friend, she is by default his best friend in the saga.
That's not how friendship works. Just because the other characters drop off the face of the earth and occasionally crop back up doesn't mean the friendometer gets reset. Ash retains his friendships, and his feelings on those relationships. He isn't going to make a best friend out of someone just because they are conveniently there to do so with.
And close is bull. Just because Brock walks around in the background...really, he's not a best friend? How many years have they been together? Just because the show doesn't make it a focal point to focus on their relationship (since the whole point of the show itself is to promote Contests [Dawn] and battling overall [Ash]; of course the girl is gonna be focused on a whole lot; it brings in a female demographic), they're not best friends?
This also isn't the place to be arguing this.
The anime is not real life, what matters is how the current story is presented. Think about it, 13 years passed since the start of the anime. However, Ash is still 10 and Brock is just some acquittance breeder along for the ride. Anything older than 5 years that is not part of the show currently is essentially forgotten.
Well, this is sort of offtopic. However, it relates to the fate of Gary eventually. Come 3 years and he everyone will be like, Gary who?
Sure, anime isn't real life, but just like any other fictional story, some things in real life inspire whats in them. 8\
Seriously, if you wanna argue, take it somewhere else. I don't know about anyone else on here, but you are seriously rubbing me the wrong way with some of your arguments. Not 'cuz I'm a fan of this couple, but 'cuz I can relate to Ash and Gary's friendship in the same way as my friendship with my childhood friend. Just 'cuz we both live far away and don't see each other as much, does not mean we are not good friends anymore. We still have our strong bonds and try to keep in touch as much as possible. I miss him very much and vice versa. Who is to say that Ash and Gary's friendship (and anyone else that Ash is friends with) isn't inspired by such a friendship like mine? >8/
As much as I wish to say more, I'm going to end it here, for if I continue on, it may get ugly, and I don't want anyone getting banned. I just had to butt in and put in my 2 cents on this 'cuz this is really irritating me and I wish to move onto something else, please?
Last edited by KanikaOkami; 24th May 2010 at 02:22 AM.
Kind of like the games with Red and Blue, depending on your definition of 'pokemon master'. I don't think it'd change too much. Even if Ash did manage to succeed in his dream, I don't think he'll stop traveling. I think it's such a part of him now, to keep moving around. He'll keep exploring and trying to do even better than before.But on-topic now. In an alternate future, Gary is a gym leader and Ash a pokemon master, how will their relationship be like then?
Truthfully, he probably wouldn't see Gary that much as Gary would be stuck at a gym, meaning less travel than usual. I do like to think that he'll see Gary more often, though. But then again, I like to think that about every situation someone puts those two in =P
I'm not trying to change the subject or anything. Of course not.