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    Since the last discussion thread was eons ago (and closed down), I figured I'd give starting another a shot. Not that we're a rowdy group anyway, but all usual forum rules apply, with the additional reminder that Eldershippers are generally a multishipping lot.

    For those of you not in the know, Eldershipping is Professor Oak/ Delia Ketchum (Ash's mom). We were pretty hardcore back in the day as far as fic went. I did not like the whole debate thing, preferring excuses for porn rather than reasons for war, so I'm the first to say I'm not up on all the hints. (Come on, though, didn't he go to the beach in Chronicles or something and have to bring her back a present? This one I'm misremembering)

    I guess our beginning discussion question is the following, so I get to know you guys a bit:

    If you ship this, what do you like about it?

    Are you one of those who believe that Oak is Ash's father? Has there just got to be a reason she's always up at the lab, and shipping is as good an excuse as any? Is it just that darn cute? Tell me what you think.

    Or discuss whatever you'd like, share your favorite fanart, or [insert other activity that the other shipping threads do]. I'm not picky.

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    Dude I was just thinking about My Fair Trainer earlier! IT IS A SIGN I TELLS YA.

    Anyway! I think it's an adorable ship. I don't think he's Ash's dad though.

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    LUNAR MIND MELD ENGAGE. Actually, I was just thinking about you, too! *high five*

    Surprisingly, I don't think he's Ash's father either. I guess I ought to, I write toward it enough, but I just don't.

    THEN WHO WAS DAD?

    Thousands of others have asked, and we've come to the consensus of "Dunno." I do know that he makes a good father figure, if nothing else. A plus for this on Delia's side is that he does show concern for her kid. Is his attention above and beyond what would be normal?

    (But wait, 4ever completely negates that line of thought. His attention is above and beyond what's normal because he knows that Ash was his past buddy.)

    ...Yeah, they're adorable!

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    I don't think he's Ash's father, but I do get the "more than friends" vibe from them. And yeah, she does spend a lot of time at the lab. (If Samuel isn't Delia's boyfriend, he's certainly become her "coffee klatch" buddy, which is awfully cute. ) Also, I like Eldershipping because - despite the fact that Sam is old enough to be Delia's father - the power dynamic still feels very equal. Professor Oak treats ten year olds as equals, after all, so a 27-30 year old wouldn't be any different.

    And is it mercenary to admit that I like Eldershipping stories because Tracey's usually around in them? ( @ my own fangirl obsessiveness....)


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    Like almost everyone here, I like this ship, but don't think Sam is Ash's father.
    I don't care about IVs or EVs, or natures or anything. I catch my Pokemon the way they are, and I love them like that.

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    YAY! More people have come to the thread! Welcome, everybody!

    There are days when I miss my little webpage too. I just don't have the time or the internet skills to keep it going and make it look pretty. Somebody want the stuff ('ve still got the stuff!) and want me on board in an advisory role? Let me know and we'll talk...

    Meanwhile, our informal poll seems to reveal that no one thinks he's Ash's dad. That's pretty interesting. Anybody think they knew each other before Ash came along, or is this something that happened while the kid was away? Tell me your version of "how they met."

    (I love the coffee klatch buddy thing. )

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    As a kid I always thought Delia and Professor Oak would get together, lol.

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    I dont think Oak is Ash's Dad. He had a lot of oppurtunities to tell Ash he is his dad, so i dont think so. I think he sees Ash like a son to him almost. It would also make Ash and Gary related which is kinda wierd. It would be quite the secret to keep.Delia and Oak could have a thing, and i think thats kinda cute.

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    Well, we know Delia knew Professor Oak before she had Ash; she looked about fifteen in that one photo with younger Sam & Spencer Hale. I suspect she was Samuel's assistant, or at least helped part-time around the lab.

    My personal background for her is that she was thinking of becoming a Pokemon Breeder, but gave it up when she got pregnant with Ash; she and Ash's father had to marry quickly, but Mr. Ketchum only stayed in Pallet for a year or two to help with the baby before going back out on his journey - at which point both he and Delia knew they weren't suited for each other, and they divorced (amicably).

    Somewhere in there Samuel stopped seeing her as a kid and started seeing her as an adult - I actually think that may not have happened until after Ash went on his journey. (I've got one story half-done where Samuel invites all the people that Pikachu fried outside his gate in the first episode to come in and have a cup of tea to recover, but only Delia took him up on it, which gave them a chance to renew their friendship...and the seeds of a deeper relationship were sown. )
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    ...you guys are still around? Wow. It has been a while!

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    You tryin' to call us old...?


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    Yeah, Solomon, we're still around! We go and come, though, which is while you lost track of us for a while. Who were you?

    (Speak for yourself, Shiny: granny here just turned 32 and feels 50 )

    Well, I'm heartened that people are still around and Eldershipping and thinking of the Brigade with great fondness. We tried very hard not to be batshit! (Well, everyone else didn't. I was the angst magnet.)

    I suggest you finish that fic, Shiny! We all do still love our fic, right? We've still got the Compendium over at ff.net! :D? :D?

    I hesitate to say something about it here, lest I jynx--wait, jinx--myself, but I started writing this thing a couple of weeks ago that was all Haleshipping vs. Eldershipping and Angsty Sam and generally bad writing. Hey, it's the first completely new thing I've done in years. gimme a break. Plus, there is overblown smut of both varieties. :D? (/oversharing)

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    THEN WHO WAS DAD?
    Who knows? But I think in one of the first episodes it was implied that his dad was also a traveling trainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary Girl View Post
    (Speak for yourself, Shiny: granny here just turned 32 and feels 50 )
    Whippersnapper.

    I remember being 32...had my first "oh shit I'm old!" moment, because I realized I was as old as Valentine guessed himself to be in Lord Valentine's Castle...which seemed unimaginably old to me when I first read it, at 15.

    Now I'm even older, but I feel 15 (emotionally, if not physically), so everything's peachy-keen!


    I suggest you finish that fic, Shiny! We all do still love our fic, right? We've still got the Compendium over at ff.net! :D? :D?
    Oh, it needs major work. The Eldershippy part of it is just a little scenelet, anyway. But I've got this other story where the Sam&Delia stuff is much more prominent. It gets PG-13 with them and everything. It's about half finished....

    I hesitate to say something about it here, lest I jynx--wait, jinx--myself, but I started writing this thing a couple of weeks ago that was all Haleshipping vs. Eldershipping and Angsty Sam and generally bad writing. Hey, it's the first completely new thing I've done in years. gimme a break. Plus, there is overblown smut of both varieties. :D? (/oversharing)
    I sincerely doubt anything you wrote could be "bad writing." So go for it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyAeon View Post
    Well, we know Delia knew Professor Oak before she had Ash; she looked about fifteen in that one photo with younger Sam & Spencer Hale. I suspect she was Samuel's assistant, or at least helped part-time around the lab.

    My personal background for her is that she was thinking of becoming a Pokemon Breeder, but gave it up when she got pregnant with Ash; she and Ash's father had to marry quickly, but Mr. Ketchum only stayed in Pallet for a year or two to help with the baby before going back out on his journey - at which point both he and Delia knew they weren't suited for each other, and they divorced (amicably).

    Somewhere in there Samuel stopped seeing her as a kid and started seeing her as an adult - I actually think that may not have happened until after Ash went on his journey. (I've got one story half-done where Samuel invites all the people that Pikachu fried outside his gate in the first episode to come in and have a cup of tea to recover, but only Delia took him up on it, which gave them a chance to renew their friendship...and the seeds of a deeper relationship were sown. )
    This is, more or less, how I felt their relationship developed. Of the few anime hints I remember, she would occasionally show up at his lab, but there wasn't apparently any reason (apart from the fact that they liked each other) for her to be there.

    I need to start writing again.

    *waves* Hi, LW!

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