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Not only is Bellossom a split evolution, when it comes to starters, GF always seem to show consistency with the evolutions when it comes to appearances. I can't see any of it with Mijuthree.

The consistency has been leaking away with every generation.

In Gen I, the starters and the final forms looked fairly similar - just bigger (like Bulbasaur > Venusaur).

In 2 there was some drift (Cyndaquil > Typlosion).

In III, a lot of consistency was missing (Torchic > Blaziken, Sceptile barely looking like Treecko).

In Gen IV a lot of the consistency is gone. Aside from them both being penguins Piplup doesn't look much like Empoleon. And while Turtwig and Torterra are both green with shells the resemblance stops there.

Hell, even the transitional phases didn't tie the evos together well. Turtwig goes from Snapping Turtle to Stegosaurus to Ankylosaur/turtle/world tortoise hybrid without much color or design consistency between the three.

So I'm not terribly surprised.

Originally Posted by Angelus

Maybe Sugimori drew those for shits and gigs, to throw us off and reveal totally awesome starter evos in a week or so

I have recieved confirmation that Sugimori did, indeed, draw these for shits and giggles, in order to throw us off. I know because I have a secret source that has been accurate thus far.

No, I'm not going to reveal my dubious "source." Also, if it turns out that I was wrong, I'm going to delete this post and get really mad when you bring it up.

(You know who you are.)

God, I hope these are fake.

I actually kind of like "Pokatwo," though. The turn-of-the-century strongman outfit is hilariously awesome. If it were recolored/retyped and made into its own 'mon, I would love to have that guy. Just not as an evolution to Pokabu. Pokabu needs to evolve into a boar.

Originally Posted by Mr. Error

Mijuthree is blue, has shells, water type, and probably based on an giant Otter. The other two also have blue, shells, water typing, and based on otters. The main difference however is that the final evolution is quadrupedal instead of bipedal like the other two, which is main issue that people seem to point out.

Also not every evolution is consistent design wise. Remoraid and Octillery, Froslass and Snorunt, Trapinch and Vibrava etc.

Starters are VERY different in these regards. There is always a sense that you can tell they are related just by looking at the first and last forms. They always carry a common theme.

Starters are VERY different in these regards. There is always a sense that you can tell they are related just by looking at the first and last forms. They always carry a common theme.

O really?





I really don't see much of a theme here. Especially not with Torchic>Blaziken. There's absolutely no good reason to think those two are related. No shared body shape, no sharing of theme, no shared coloration, even! You can tell they're both fire-types and that's about it.

Turtwig and Torterra both have a plant and a shell, that's the only thing linking the two Pokemon.

Originally Posted by Zeta

O really?





I really don't see much of a theme here. Especially not with Torchic>Blaziken. There's absolutely no good reason to think those two are related. No shared body shape, no sharing of theme, no shared coloration, even! You can tell they're both fire-types and that's about it.

Turtwig and Torterra both have a plant and a shell, that's the only thing linking the two Pokemon.

Torchic -> Blaziken = They're both "chickens". And yes, that colour scheme is definitely similar! What are you talking about? It's from orange to a darker red and some yellow, not something like from red to blue. (although it might just be my experience bias.)

For Turtwig and Torterra, I think you're missing the most important thing - they're both turtles.

There is no way you can tell Blaziken is a chicken if it wasn't for its name.

If that's your logic, Miju and Big Miju are both otters, they both have shells and they're both blue. Or you know, something like Bagon --> Salamence shouldn't surprise people, yet it does.

I don't know what planet you come from but on my world chickens are not bipedal humanoid dragon men with the head of lizards, giant bell bottoms for legs, no wings, big floppy ears, antennae, and no beaks.

You're just used to Blaziken. You're not yet used to Miji3. That's all.





Not even slightly close to each other.

Originally Posted by Zeta

O really?

Ya really

I really don't see much of a theme here. Especially not with Torchic>Blaziken. There's absolutely no good reason to think those two are related. No shared body shape, no sharing of theme, no shared coloration, even!

Turtwig and Torterra both have a plant and a shell, that's the only thing linking the two Pokemon.

The Blaze line is the same as the change between a chick and a rooster/ cock.

Connections include lighter Feathers coming from the head/ yellow for the feet/ darker colored bodies and the fact that they are chickens.

Turtwig and it's final.
Both have beaks/ are 4 legged/ puffy jaws/ plants sprouting from the top of them and they are both tortoise.

For the Otter . . .yeah, don't think you can come up with any connections past "some shade of blue + shells".

I don't care what Miju evolves into, i'm using it because it is just awsome and I will slay everyone with it impaler horn or not^_^

The thing with Blaziken and Torterra is that their second stage acted as a median between the two. You can clearly see the similarities between Combusken and Torchic, as well as between Combusken and Blaziken. As for Grotle and Torterra and Grotle and Turtwig... well, same thing. With Smug3 you can sorta see it, but it's a VERY rapid change, which looks very different from Smug2. As for Miju3... It looks nothing like Miju2 or Miju1. It's blue and it has shells. So does Blastoise. Miju3 resembles a Sea Lion more than an Otter, and Miju2 suggests a continuation of the otter theme. So... yeah, Miju3 and Smug3 just don't seem to fit.

Pokabu2, on the other hand, does seem to work as a median between Pokabu's 1 and 3. Sadly.

Originally Posted by Zeta

Not even slightly close to each other.

fact that they are chickens.

If Blaziken is a chicken, Mijimaru3 is an otter.


Blaziken looks like a dragon-man. Blaziken has nothing chicken about him.

Blaziken has:

2 arms
2 legs.
No beak.
Ears.
Antennae

Chickens have
2 Legs
2 Wings
A Beak
A comb.
No Ears
No antennae.

Please, enlighten me as to how Blaziken is a chicken, aside from it's name?

Oh, and similar poses do not mean something is the same animal.

Both have beaks/ are 4 legged/ puffy jaws/ plants sprouting from the top of them and they are both tortoise.

Aside from the beaks that also describes Vensuaur.

Wow, I say one slightly dubious fact, and people start flaming (well, not outright flaming, but they're very heated responses) me for it.

Also, that mouth of Blaziken's is totally a beak, what are you talking about. (Thirdly, ears? On Blaziken? Where?)

Also, I really doubt those are antennae at all. If they were, they'd be extending much further. It looks more like a decoration, really.

Originally Posted by Zeta

Aside from the beaks that also describes Vensuaur.

HEY BREAKING NEWS VENUSAUR IS ACTUALLY A TORTOISE.

(that's the main difference, really.)

FYI - for everyone arguing Blaziken is clearly a chicken.

The reason Blaziken doesn't fit with Torchic, though, is because Blaziken's design was originally going to be used for Latias (you can see this yourself on Bulbapedia).

They they tacked the Blaziken design onto Torchic after they redesigned Latias. (So yes, Blaziken looks like a dragon because the original design for Blaziken WAS a dragon).

I can only imagine the same thing happened with Mijimaru. Mijimaru3 was a Legendary Pokemon they had no use for so they tacked the design onto Mijimaru's evolutionary line.

Originally Posted by Zeta

If Blaziken is a chicken, Mijimaru3 is an otter.


Blaziken looks like a dragon-man. Blaziken has nothing chicken about him.

Blaziken has:

2 arms
2 legs.
No beak.
Ears.
Antennae

Chickens have
2 Legs
2 Wings
A Beak
A comb.
No Ears
No antennae.

Please, enlighten me as to how Blaziken is a chicken, aside from it's name?

Oh, and similar poses do not mean something is the same animal.



Aside from the beaks that also describes Vensuaur.

Correction-
Blaze has . . .
2 arms
2 legs.
beak.
No Ears.
Double Comb.



And for Turtwig.



Who looks like who?
(And Venusaur aint a tortoise FYI)