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    The Pokémon Company has issued a statement concerning cheating in Pokémon video games. Warns they will not fix glitches arising from cheating or allow hacked Pokémon at events

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    I applaud this. Cheaters never win and winners never cheat.
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    The statement also warns players of the risk of trading with a hacked game, as their game may also cease to function.
    Okay, so punish victims who may not have known they were being traded illegal Pokemon? Nice. What about the GTS? I'm sure more than a few hacks go through there. Though when have hacks actually cased the games to stop functioning unless they were really bad? Seems more like they're hyping up fear.

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    This is weird. I'm not sure about how tournaments work but I was pretty sure several shiny Pokémon were hacked for example, more likely if the Trainer has their team full of them as well. Furthermore, one can't know when one it's trading with a hacked game, so I believe that with banning from tournaments they're referring to Pokémon that are clearly non-legit (like an only-event Pokémon that isn't on a Cherish Ball or had a fateful encounter) instead of those who are likely non-legit but still possible to obtain legally.
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    What about the hacked pokemon that are within their 'technical' limits? As we all know, many competitive players (I am totally against this and all the upcoming things by the way, never done them never will) use certain websites to give their pokemon perfect (or near perfect) IVs and EVs and natures, etc. and usually receive them through GTS. These are the majority, it has seemed, of most pokemon in the competitive field. They give them awesome stats that are 'technically' in that respective pokemon's limits, and they almost always go under the radar. Will they be caught?

    I ask this because I feel that only obvious hacked pokemon will be caught, like mon's with impossible stats or moves or event legends without a cherish ball for example. I hope that the under-the-radar hacks that we all know from the competitive field are also caught because they have ruined the metagame to save their own personal time.

    And what about RNG abuse? That's another method of cheating. Will they also fix that issue?

    Personally, I'd love if ALL forms of cheating whether it be custom services, rng abuse, etc. to be caught and stopped. That way everyone will have to train on their own just like everyone else in the world so it can be a more fair metagame for everyone to enjoy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabo 2oo View Post
    This is weird. I'm not sure about how tournaments work but I was pretty sure several shiny Pokémon were hacked for example, more likely if the Trainer has their team full of them as well. Furthermore, one can't know when one it's trading with a hacked game, so I believe that with banning from tournaments they're referring to Pokémon that are clearly non-legit (like an only-event Pokémon that isn't on a Cherish Ball or had a fateful encounter) instead of those who are likely non-legit but still possible to obtain legally.
    I still hope that those can be stopped too. I doubt they will be caught, but who knows? Even if they are "possible" to obtain legally, taking the shortcut is still cheating imo.
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    Personally, as a competitive player I am glad that they are doing this. There are too few Pokémon players who actually go through the time to breed or soft reset for their Pokémon - they just RNG or worse, use these programs to have the Pokémon generated for them - and as hackers have found out exactly how to, these Pokémon aren't picked up on the current hack-checkers.

    One idea a friend of mine suggested was GameFreak simply removing IVs. This may sound like a ridiculous proposal at first, but when you think about it, the majority of hacking is done for IVs. Natures can easily be controlled, as can EVs. IVs can be very random at times. Some players will want all 31IVs, while others will want others to be specific values in order to manipulate the type and strength of Hidden Power. All they have to do is give Hidden Power the base power of 70 (the highest it can be) and even have an in-game way to choose its type (like maybe an item that can be used on the Pokémon that changes its type, like a vitamin?). Then, when a Pokémon is migrated over from a previous generation, its stats are recalculated according to the loss of IVs (so Base Stat + EVs) and their Hidden Power type is kept the same until manually changed.

    Then, they could add some kind of bar below a Pokémon's stats in the status screen to roughly show how many EVs it has in a certain stat, so those are more visible as well.

    In one simple revamp, you can get rid of the main need for hacking and make the game more accessible to new players.
    About RNG abuse, apparently game freak is fine with it according to Raikoo.

    @Yorumi I talked to a game freak employee at worlds 2011, and I asked him what game freak's view on RNG abuse. He said that game freak doesn't care about RNG abuse at all and they don't consider it cheating at all, they consider it CLEVER that someone has figured out the system and how to manipulate how it works.
    http://puu.sh/3qEwo.jpg
    Even if it is how the game was intended to be played, game freak clearly shows it doesn't have a problem with RNG abuse.
    also, looks like I got the date wrong, if anyone wants me to retake, I will. (26 isn't 29...)
    He posted this in the same article that was posted.
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    ...and it can damage the cartridge....
    Nintendo. GameFreak. I can understand you wanting to cut down on cheaters at your tournaments. But that is no reason to lie about such things. Those fake GTS servers are no more harmful than you attempting to connect to the official GTS server.

    Besides, how do you propose to cut down on said cheating? A lot of "illegal" pokemon are completely indistinguishable from the real thing, even by fan made legitimacy checking systems, which are a lot more stringent than your methods. If you end up banning people who's pokemon look too good to be true, then you'll end up banning and pushing away many players who have no idea such systems even exist.
    The funny part about the fake gts server is that it's used for checking if the pokemon is hacked or not! Not to mention it is immensely difficult to tell the difference between a legal-hacked pokemon and a RNG pokemon (which people WILL often mistake for hacked pokemon especially if the team is all shiny).
    I already posted my thoughts on the other thread.
    Also, are scare tactics really necessary? The only people they are scaring is people who don't hack to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Doctor View Post
    And what about RNG abuse? That's another method of cheating. Will they also fix that issue?
    Technically that's an exploit, not a cheat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deitylight View Post
    Also, are scare tactics really necessary? The only people they are scaring is people who don't hack to begin with.
    Scare people that never hacked games but were thinking about it and/or the people that hack but don't know how things work = Less hackers to deal with in the future.

    It's that simple. Of course this could still backfire like Nintendo's "PLEASE DON'T EXPLOIT MISSINGNO.!" campaign...but still.
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    I think the importance of "purity" when it comes to these games is actually getting more important given how connected the games are beginning to get, and how easy it is to enter the tournaments, both in real life and over WiFi.

    Unfair advantages suck. They just suck.

    I think it's important for Nintendo to actually emphasise that their tournaments have a no hacking policy to at least try and put everyone on even footing.

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    ... if you want to hack your own game? Go for it. You own the game. You paid for it. If you understand the risks, I think you should be able to. Just don't use that game for tournaments, or use the Pokémon you hacked. Just don't. If you want to hack your game to make everything Shiny, or to give yourself perfect IVs for all the Pokémon you want, go right ahead.
    Just don't enter any tournaments. Don't Trade those Pokémon. Keep them to yourself.

    If you enter a tournament, or trade or battle anyone, with Pokémon you know for a fact are hacked, or suspect might be hacked, you're a douchebag. A giant douchebag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratelier View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Doctor View Post
    And what about RNG abuse? That's another method of cheating. Will they also fix that issue?
    Technically that's an exploit, not a cheat.
    Technically it's subjective.

    I view any kind of exploit like RNG as cheating. For one, is unfair to those who play how they're supposed to. Unless you play by the rules and use the methods that were intended (which does not include any kind of exploits) for everyone to use on an even ground then you are cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Doctor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratelier View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Doctor View Post
    And what about RNG abuse? That's another method of cheating. Will they also fix that issue?
    Technically that's an exploit, not a cheat.
    Technically it's subjective.

    I view any kind of exploit like RNG as cheating. For one, is unfair to those who play how they're supposed to. Unless you play by the rules and use the methods that were intended (which does not include any kind of exploits) for everyone to use on an even ground then you are cheating.
    Cheating means it breaks the rules of the tournament. RNG abuse does not. Therefore, RNG abuse is objectively not cheating. Whether you think it should be against the ruels is a different matter, but it is not cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bittersweet View Post
    However... if you want to hack your own game? Go for it. You own the game. You paid for it.
    No, not exactly. While I do not personally believe in the concept of "software as a service", purchasing a copy of the game does not give you permission to modify (by hacking) it. Sure, there may be nothing stopping you if you have the tools and the know-how, but it is decidedly "do at your own risk" territory.

    Quote Originally Posted by SnorlaxMonster View Post
    Cheating means it breaks the rules of the tournament. RNG abuse does not. Therefore, RNG abuse is objectively not cheating. Whether you think it should be against the ruels is a different matter, but it is not cheating.
    I want to come up with a humorous analogy but I'm having trouble. Anyone remember the snaking controversy in Mario Kart DS?
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    Snaking is actually a decent comparison XD @SnorlaxMonster; While rng abuse may not be against the actual rules and not officially recognized as cheating, however, it is still, in fact, an unfair method of gaining an advantage over most other players who don't even know how to do it (nor should they need to).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratelier View Post

    No, not exactly. While I do not personally believe in the concept of "software as a service", purchasing a copy of the game does not give you permission to modify (by hacking) it. Sure, there may be nothing stopping you if you have the tools and the know-how, but it is decidedly "do at your own risk" territory.
    That's what I mean; if you own the game, and you don't plan on trading or battling anyone with it, or entering any tournaments, you can go ahead and risk breaking it if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bittersweet View Post
    That's what I mean; if you own the game, and you don't plan on trading or battling anyone with it, or entering any tournaments, you can go ahead and risk breaking it if you want.
    And Nintendo is basically saying "don't come complaining to us if that happens."

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Doctor View Post
    Snaking is actually a decent comparison XD
    When it lets you finish a given race a good 10-plus seconds sooner than anyone who doesn't, it may be a technically legitimate high-level technique but the advantage it gives you is virtually insurmountable other than by snaking back. Which is why it got nerfed in Mario Kart Wii and MK7 -- you can still 'snake' an extra turbo out of shallow curves or wide areas, but the advantage you get for doing so is much smaller than it was in MKDS.

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