Thread: Looking Forward: Generational Rot: Outlook and speculation from a life long die-hard

Originally Posted by sloth

i thaought it was alright i think were suppose to look at past gens inorder to appreciate the new ones

Mostly the message was reserving harsh judgment on the new Pokes, and how the fanboys have been complaining about new monsters as they're revealed since 2002 when the ever controversial Ruby and Sapphire hit the markets.

Okay first off whoever wrote the article wasn't saying the new designs were horribly designed, and it wasn't a rant about the Pokemon. If it was a rant, it was a rant of people who rant about the designs of Pokemon.

Personally, I always welcome more species of Pokémon.

Looks like some of you got on Pat Hessman's case, without actually reading that part. If you read it, you wouldn't have assumed it was a rant of the designs of the Pokemon.

And I agree, as long as there's no Pokemon that looks like Sukamon, I really do not care too much about the designs. I'm not saying that gives them free clearance to be lazy about it. I'd still like it to look like they're attempting something. Even if other "fans" say it was a failed attempted.

But when it comes to the games (as I said in the B/W Pokemon discussion thread. The designs are the least important thing of Pokemon. I mean I've seen nasty and worse monsters in Final Fantasy or even Golden Sun (of course in that case they're actually trying to make it look like an actual monster).

Although I may admit, that due to my neutralness on a lots of subjects, I don't have an extreme expectation like some of you when it comes to the designs. Those who hate certain designs of Pokemon, expect too much (in my opinion).

I'm not saying they're all my favorites, it's obvious I'll like some Pokemon more than others, but there won't be anything negative about the designs of Pokemon from me. The most negative thing I might say is something like "The design could use a little improvement" but even then in that case, I won't care too much about the design.

Originally Posted by sloth

i thaought it was alright i think were suppose to look at past gens inorder to appreciate the new ones

dude above me you better not be talking about the origin of species lol i like that shit

Oddly enough I think that's one of the best ones. I'm not a big fan (doesn't really interest me) but I don't hate it, either. It's at least well written and tries to do something different, unlike most of the other editorials which are just like "this hot topic in the pokemon fandom sucks or i have a opinion on it, i am the latest person to say it".

Originally Posted by Outrage

As opposed to news stories you can find elsewhere right? It's nice to have original content on the site. I barely even read Bulbanews for actual franchise news >_>

Well I don't read any other Pokemon sites really so Bulbanews is my primary source of new news lol just saying

I'm not saying original content is bad, I'm saying OUR original content could be a lot better. :/ and seriously you can find original content anywhere. There are so many different outlets on the internet today to post your opinions and thoughts, so I don't think it makes us ~extra special~, really.

Originally Posted by SmearglePaints

I write articles for my site that are definitely "original content". I think we come to Bulbapedia for news, not editorials. I would love to read some good articles as long as the subject is, you know, interesting. (I don't like the Origin of Species series, but the subject is at least academic and fits the purpose of 'pedia).

say what lol yeah it can be pretty boring but its intresting every now and then

Originally Posted by SmearglePaints

I write articles for my site that are definitely "original content". I think we come to Bulbapedia for news, not editorials. I would love to read some good articles as long as the subject is, you know, interesting. (I don't like the Origin of Species series, but the subject is at least academic and fits the purpose of 'pedia).

I think we come to Bulbapedia to find information, you know, being a Pokemon encyclopedia and all. You go to Bulbanews for news updates and you go to the Bulbagarden forums to discuss Pokemon. Considering that the network that is Bulbagarden doesn't have a section for original content, the news wiki is more than sufficient considering these are marked as editorials. What, should we have obviously opinionated content on an encyclopedia meant for facts?

At least get the site right. This place as a whole isn't Bulbapedia.

Considering you come to this place for news, I don't see how you managed to get to this article, its not like someone was pointing a gun to your head and telling you to read it or that the article's title was even that misleading. I mean you'd have to be mentally deficient or something to think that an article titled Looking Forward: Generational Rot: Outlook and speculation from a life long die-hard was a news story.

Originally Posted by Outrage

I think we come to Bulbapedia to find information, you know, being a Pokemon encyclopedia and all. You go to Bulbanews for news updates and you go to the Bulbagarden forums to discuss Pokemon. Considering that the network that is Bulbagarden doesn't have a section for original content, the news wiki is more than sufficient considering these are marked as editorials. What, should we have obviously opinionated content on an encyclopedia meant for facts?

At least get the site right. This place as a whole isn't Bulbapedia.

It's all the same site. It's a conglomerate of information. I don't think anyone really cares to go around being specific about the sub-sections. In any case, Bulbanews should be about news. If people want to put up editorials make Bulbaopinions.

Lololololololololol people arguing bout this...

What up GPH?

yeah well im tired of all this bulbacrap everything should be dedicated to nidoking: Hello welcome to Nidopedia now get the fuck out before your ass gets kicked with INFORMATION!!! lol

Originally Posted by SmearglePaints

It's all the same site. It's a conglomerate of information. I don't think anyone really cares to go around being specific about the sub-sections. In any case, Bulbanews should be about news. If people want to put up editorials make Bulbaopinions.

Tell that to Newspapers.

It's surprising that people seem to want to hold Bulbanews to the standards of real news papers, yet get upset when they do something that these other news outlets do.

Again, since I edited this on after your post:

Considering you come to this place for news, I don't see how you managed to get to this article, its not like someone was pointing a gun to your head and telling you to read it or that the article's title was even that misleading. I mean you'd have to be mentally deficient or something to think that an article titled Looking Forward: Generational Rot: Outlook and speculation from a life long die-hard was a news story.

I don't write to my local newspaper for including news about celebrity gossip or horiscopes, or telling me what to think about movies I've never seen because I avoid the sections of the newspaper I don't like.

Considering you needed to have a conscious willingness to click on the thread, and click on the link to the article when the title's a dead giveaway on what content it holds, I don't see how Bulbanews is at fault. Even a little common sense should tell you the content. I'm not going to a thread titled Satoshi's Pikachu to be distributed via Wi-Fi: Distibution begins on July 15th and thinking it's an editorial. I'm not going into an article called On the Origin of Species: Poochyena and Mightyena: Investigating the inspirations behind Pokémon and think its a breaking news story. Simple common sense goes a long way.

Originally Posted by SmearglePaints

If people want to put up editorials make Bulbaopinions.

We DO have forum blogs for opinions too... ;)

I think part of a lot of people's problems is that the bulbaNEWS feed is put to bulbaPEDIA, including the editorials. so, people not necessarily interested in the non-news sections of the bulbanews website still see it on the main page of bulbapedia. if it is true that bulbanews is meant to be able to stand on its own feet as "your community Pokémon newspaper" as well as part of the bulbagarden network, then not necessarily all of bulbanews's stuff belongs on the main page of bulbapedia.

Im confused why is everyone making such a big deal about this article??

Originally Posted by Zesty Cactus

We DO have forum blogs for opinions too... ;)

I think part of a lot of people's problems is that the bulbaNEWS feed is put to bulbaPEDIA, including the editorials. so, people not necessarily interested in the non-news sections of the bulbanews website still see it on the main page of bulbapedia. if it is true that bulbanews is meant to be able to stand on its own feet as "your community Pokémon newspaper" as well as part of the bulbagarden network, then not necessarily all of bulbanews's stuff belongs on the main page of bulbapedia.

Yeah because the full list of articles listed in that section is obscured by the most recent thing posted right? I mean a total of two out of ten articles that made it on the Bulbapedia feed are editorials. How can I possibly figure out what's news >_>

btw, all I needed to do was look at the title to discern what was news and what was an editorial. Not that hard guys.

EDIT: Oh wait its three, I guess my casual gaze at that list missed one due to the large number of actual news articles that made it on there >_>

What I find surprising is how I have the ability to tell when an actual news article is talking about something I don't care about like, maybe anime episode titles and don't click, and those come every week, while the occasional editorial that 90% of the people who posted here don't like is so hard to avoid for the common schmuck. It must be a gift

Originally Posted by Shabutie

Im confused why is everyone making such a big deal about this article??

The reason why everyone is arguing about this article is ironically the same reason that the article was written in the first place: people have a general idea on what Pokémon/Bulbapedia is about, but any real deviation from the "orignal idea" and they get annoyed that it doesn't seem to "fit" with the rest.

Originally Posted by PDL

The reason why everyone is arguing about this article is ironically the same reason that the article was written in the first place: people have a general idea on what Pokémon/Bulbapedia is about, but any real deviation from the "orignal idea" and they get annoyed that it doesn't seem to "fit" with the rest.

Well, at least someone managed to tell me what the article was addressing since I was kind of confused by it, I thought it was just stating what we can all plainly see.

Originally Posted by PDL

The reason why everyone is arguing about this article is ironically the same reason that the article was written in the first place: people have a general idea on what Pokémon/Bulbapedia is about, but any real deviation from the "orignal idea" and they get annoyed that it doesn't seem to "fit" with the rest.

You, sir, are an intelligent man.

You win.