Cool. Do that then. 'Cause as messed up as it is that these guys are profiting of your work like that, the App in question would be a seriously welcome addition to my iPhone.
Not in its current state it's not. It's currently broken due to a template change on Bulbapedia, which demonstrates that the ap doesn't actually have our data, it's actively pulling it off our servers.
Or to put it another way....it's not just about the data. They're stealing our bandwidth, and they're stealing processor load on our databases. It's like image hotlinking images off the Archives wiki, only a lot worse.
This means that they're actually having a direct impact on our server health, while those using this ap are not viewing the advertisements that allow us to keep the servers up. They're not just profiting off of the work of our staff. They're profiting off the work of the community of people here at Bulbagarden who have volunteered their time to edit pages on Bulbapedia, and they're profiting at the expense of everyone's enjoyment of any part of Bulbagarden, Bulbapedia, or the Japanese Pokemon Wiki (which we host).
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Cool, wait til they fix it, then change the templates again. :) An alternative if you can't reach an agreement.
I was joking but it's probably not such a bad idea?
Unless they get their own information and host it on their own server, we still ultimately have control over what their app displays. And despite it being a better option, I don't really think the members of Team Bebop really feel like going through all that hard work of keeping a full PokéDex up-to-date on their own bandwidth.
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So next time Bulbapedia has sever problems I will be able to say "Oh well,at least an evil company is profiting!"
Seriously,what are the options for dealing with this?
Well I got a 503 just now, so there you go.
@Archaic Can you afford a lawyer? I'm not sure who is in the wrong. I don't think they owe you money, but they should just have a footer adknowledging where the data comes from. After all you're wikipedia usings actual data that belongs to another company.
i don't see what their problem is; all they need to do is add "all information copyright (c) 2009 Bulbagarden etc. etc." they're making way too big a deal out of this.
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Originally Posted by Bowser-Blastoise;bt42439
Facts, of course, are free. But our collective work is protected by license. Since they charge for the use of our (free) data, they're in violation of portions of our license.
Additionally, the works we've collected are an exception to copyright under fair use. So it isn't like we've "stolen" Game Freak's work. We're using their work in a legally protected way.
No, this isn't really how it works...they're doing a number of things that violate our license. Simply attributing it to us isn't enough to get around the noncommercial and sharealike clauses.i don't see what their problem is; all they need to do is add "all information copyright (c) 2009 Bulbagarden etc. etc." they're making way too big a deal out of this.
@evkl I understand that. They could have collected the facts from somewhere else though. I haven't reviewed your license agreement, but I don't think you are entitled to montary compenstation for damages unless they refuse to adknowledge you as a source of information.
Pokie, I don't think you really get what's at issue here.
They're in violation of our license. We don't want a million dollars or anything. We do want them to either stop charging for their application or remove it from the App Store. If they don't do that we will take action to ensure that their app either does not work or it is removed from the App Store. But it isn't especially relevant where they collect their facts, since their program is not a standalone collection of these facts. Their program hops on the internet, does some jujitsu to parse Bulbapedia pages into acceptable iPod Touch/iPhone form, and then displays them. They use our bandwidth to display it. They have done no work of their own.