Thread: First Dragon type cards officially revealed: Salamence, Rayquaza, Haxorus featured

First Dragon type cards officially revealed: Salamence, Rayquaza, Haxorus featured

The official Japanese Trading Card Game sites have revealed the first Dragon type Pokémon cards. Two of the three cards, Salamence and Rayquaza, will be released in the Dragon Selection sub-set releasing Jan 27. An additional Haxorus promotional card will be releasing on the 14th in a CoroCoro guide book. Dragon Selection will have 20 cards.

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Because they already screwed over today's standard video game metagame, dragons decided it would now be fun to fuck over the TCG metagame.

Calling it now, these dragon cards get banned within 6 months.

Awesome!! I'll be having psychic and dragon now..

Originally Posted by Otis Bond

Because they already screwed over today's standard video game metagame, dragons decided it would now be fun to fuck over the TCG metagame.

Calling it now, these dragon cards get banned within 6 months.

And what's wrong with dragon??

I didn't think the TCG will add a new type. I mean, I seen Yugioh added Psychic-types, but Pokemon is new with this. It's too bad that they are weak to their kin, though I can guess Rayquaza can be useful to deal with opposing dragons.

Originally Posted by Otis Bond

Because they already screwed over today's standard video game metagame, dragons decided it would now be fun to fuck over the TCG metagame.

Calling it now, these dragon cards get banned within 6 months.

I don't understand what you mean either. Their attacks look like they require at least two types of Energy cards, which is not as flexible as one.

Thanks for reading.

I don't follow the TCG (haven't since I was 11) but is there a Dragon energy to accompy these? I just noticed that none of their attacks require a Dragon energy, and it just seems odd to me.

Originally Posted by Blitzle.

I don't follow the TCG (haven't since I was 11) but is there a Dragon energy to accompy these? I just noticed that none of their attacks require a Dragon energy, and it just seems odd to me.

There is no Dragon Energy yet, because the cards in this set (at least the set with Salamence and Rayquaza) are only Pokemon cards.

Originally Posted by Otis Bond

Because they already screwed over today's standard video game metagame, dragons decided it would now be fun to fuck over the TCG metagame.

Calling it now, these dragon cards get banned within 6 months.

This...doesn't make much sense. The only individual cards that have ever been banned were Slowbro (because of a purposeful mistranslation) and Sneasel (which is too weak in today's metagame to warrant a current ban when it was reprinted). These cards seem powerful, but not at all broken enough to warrant a ban, or even be used in a variety of decks. Like winstein said, the fact that their attacks require a variety of energies already balance them out.

My call on those dragons being banned was because in today's competitive battling video game metagame dragons are as fucking broken as Scizor was when he got Bullet Punch. I'm aware that card games on tricycles may be different, but it seems I should mark when I'm using sarcasm more often.

Originally Posted by winstein

I didn't think the TCG will add a new type. I mean, I seen Yugioh added Psychic-types, but Pokemon is new with this.

They have done this before: Dark and Metal elemental types weren't in the original base set. They were introduced in the Neo series of expansions because the second generation of Pokemon introduced Dark and Steel types.

Originally Posted by RedSapphire

There is no Dragon Energy yet, because the cards in this set (at least the set with Salamence and Rayquaza) are only Pokemon cards.

I thought that these cards would be in the official set. Are they only promotional? If so, it makes sense now.

I still feel like Rayquaza's Dragon Pulse should require at least one Dragon energy. I mean, come on! It's got the word "DRAGON" in the freakin' name!

I don't see how dragon sucks as bad as everyone says? I've found it very powerful. Right now I'm gonna try to evolve Deino because his last evolution is outstanding! Plus it looks awesome XD

Originally Posted by winstein

I didn't think the TCG will add a new type. I mean, I seen Yugioh added Psychic-types, but Pokemon is new with this. It's too bad that they are weak to their kin, though I can guess Rayquaza can be useful to deal with opposing dragons.

Even though Psychics in Yu-Gi-Oh act more like an Archetype than a card type (all similar effects that manipulate LP, and they support each other very closely). Pokémon, from my knowledge, doesn't run archetypes like that. In fact, one-type decks are bound to lose.

I wonder if Dragon will even have a basic energy type (Dark and Steel took years to get one, I know, but still...) or if, once they become abundant, they'll be the infinity +1 like in the games, only weak to each other.

Probably not. At least from the looks of these three cards, they're trying to keep them separate. It's hard to run a deck with five energy types (and no doubt more). So they might be more comparable to the EX or Prime Pokémon (high-power subgroups that are harder to play with).
A pure-Dragon deck wouldn't work due to thinning out energy for variety, but throwing Haxorus in a Bisharp/Krookodile deck (if those exist) wouldn't be very hard at all, especially since previous Haxorus were colorless. Or maybe there's something about this I'm missing...

i agree, the only thing that could be considered remotely broken is Salamence's Arrogant Wing ability. But that's just a nasty effect that could really hurt the opponent.

Originally Posted by jokool

I thought that these cards would be in the official set. Are they only promotional? If so, it makes sense now.

These cards are part of the Dragon Selection mini-set that only includes Pokémon cards (no Trainers or Energies). The Dragon Energy card will be released in full-length Dragon Blade/Dragon Blast set.

Originally Posted by Garkago

I wonder if Dragon will even have a basic energy type (Dark and Steel took years to get one, I know, but still...)

Dragon Blade/Dragon Blast is confirmed to include a Special Energy card; it will probably be a few years before we see a basic version.

Originally Posted by The Lone Centurion

These cards are part of the Dragon Selection mini-set that only includes Pokémon cards (no Trainers or Energies). The Dragon Energy card will be released in full-length Dragon Blade/Dragon Blast set.



Dragon Blade/Dragon Blast is confirmed to include a Special Energy card; it will probably be a few years before we see a basic version.

Okay. Thanks for explaining.

And, oh GOD! Not that again! Special energy cards drive me nutz!

Originally Posted by winstein

I didn't think the TCG will add a new type. I mean, I seen Yugioh added Psychic-types, but Pokemon is new with this. It's too bad that they are weak to their kin, though I can guess Rayquaza can be useful to deal with opposing dragons.

The Yugioh player in me has to step in here for a moment...Psychic type (and all types but Divine Beast) were in Yugioh from the beginning. The only thing Yugioh has been adding are separate monster cards (Synchro, Xyz).

Dragons being weak to themselves makes sense though, because they're weak to themselves in-game too.

Originally Posted by jokool

And, oh GOD! Not that again! Special energy cards drive me nutz!

But Special Energies can add a lot of power to a card. Darkness types with Special Darkness energy get stronger, Metal types with Special Metal energy get more defense...and I don't even need to explain Double Colorless Energy's amazingness. I'm personally looking forward to any potential Special Dragon Energy.

Originally Posted by antithesicSolipse

My call on those dragons being banned was because in today's competitive battling video game metagame dragons are as fucking broken as Scizor was when he got Bullet Punch. I'm aware that card games on tricycles may be different, but it seems I should mark when I'm using sarcasm more often.

Yes, the TCG metagame is vastly different from the competitive video game scene.

Originally Posted by RedSapphire

The Yugioh player in me has to step in here for a moment...Psychic type (and all types but Divine Beast) were in Yugioh from the beginning. The only thing Yugioh has been adding are separate monster cards (Synchro, Xyz).

Nope. You must be a newer Yugioh player. Just in case you weren't around, Psychic-types were added during the Yugioh 5D's period. This is why the first Psychic cards have a Tuner (Psychic Commander) and a Synchro (Magical Android), both new monster types during 5D's. Before that, there wasn't any Psychic-types. There's a reason that Jinzo, who could make a Psychic-type because it looks like the other Psychic-types in Yugioh, was Machine-type. This monster was in the original Yugioh (used by Espa Roba, a character claiming to be a Psychic): way before Yugioh 5D's aired. If Psychic was there at the beginning, wouldn't you think they will, you know, have Psychic-type Normal Monsters? In those days, Normal Monsters were plentiful.

It's just like Dark and Metal were added types later in Generation 2, and now Dragon for Generation 5. New types added during the history of the Card game.

That's it for now.