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    Default A reminder about Viz's phrasing

    Just because Viz has said that they have "no plans" to release the RS arc doesn't mean that it won't happen. That's a pretty standard phrase that companies use until an official word is released.

    Remember, NoA said the same thing, word for word, about Platinum until the day it was announced.

    That said, if you do want to write to them, just keep that in mind and don't make any assumptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackjack Gabbiani View Post
    Just because Viz has said that they have "no plans" to release the RS arc doesn't mean that it won't happen.
    I understand why you are posting this, but is it really needed? A lot of people have been saying that constantly and I'm sure most people realize that by now.

    There still isn't any guarantee we will get it though, and even if we do get it at some point it's still annoying that we'll have to wait even longer for RS/FRLG/E than we have already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackjack Gabbiani View Post
    That's a pretty standard phrase that companies use until an official word is released.

    Remember, NoA said the same thing, word for word, about Platinum until the day it was announced.
    True, but the thing is if things really weren't any different then we would have already had an announcement of it by now. At the very least we won't be getting the RS/FRLG/E arcs for quite a while though, since Viz confirmed they have no plans to release any of them currently and that the only way we might see their release is if there's enough fan demand for it. (both things were confirmed via an email that I and another user received in response to some of our questions)
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    Default Re: A reminder about Viz's phrasing

    Well, in the first run of Special they obviously grew disinterested with the series from lack of sales and all that sometime into the Yellow chapter, and they stopped there once they finished it, never to publish a single panel of the manga until over half a decade later. So for those fans who were probably dying to get their favorite arcs published when Viz redid the old volumes (and eventually moved on to the ones they never touched), it might've been a heavy blow considering what happened. I have my ways of reading any arc released via volume form and all that, so it won't bother me, but it's understandable that people may bitch.

    (Not necessarily saying they'll never release the three arcs they have left before DP, though. Keep that in mind.)

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    When something isn't ready to announce to the public, deny it altogether. That's how business works.

    I'd expect that soon, we'll see a listing for "Pokémon Adventures: Ruby & Sapphire Volume 1"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1dbad View Post
    I understand why you are posting this, but is it really needed? A lot of people have been saying that constantly and I'm sure most people realize that by now.
    Because a lot of people *don't* realize it and are acting as if it's set in stone that we won't get it at all ever.

    Sure we should try to safeguard ourselves and prevent that from happening, but my point is that "no plans to release x" really has nothing to do with "will not release x", and everything to do with contracts and the like.

    Heck, a delay in releasing it could be a sign of a remake. Remember the very prevalent and never contradicted theory that the reason they picked Special up again in the first place was that they knew that GSC would be remade and they'd get there around the same time the games would be released. Which they did, sort of. I don't know if that idea is true or not, but as I said, it was never contradicted, and there was a GSC remake right at the predicted time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshi View Post
    I have my ways of reading any arc released via volume form and all that, so it won't bother me, but it's understandable that people may bitch.
    Same here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joshawott View Post
    I'd expect that soon, we'll see a listing for "Pokémon Adventures: Ruby & Sapphire Volume 1"
    I'm not. We already have a listing and the volume cover of the third DP volume (which comes out in October, when volume 15 was originally supposed to come out) and a listing for the third and fourth BW volume for November; so if it was going to come out we'd already have a listing for it at the very least.

    We probably won't get it unless a RS remake comes out, and even then we'd probably only get the Ruby/Sapphire arc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackjack Gabbiani View Post
    Because a lot of people *don't* realize it and are acting as if it's set in stone that we won't get it at all ever.
    I know that, but it's not happening as much anymore. And the few times it does someone corrects them. That's why I didn't think it was really needed. But, it's already done and it does help, so I can't complain anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackjack Gabbiani View Post
    Heck, a delay in releasing it could be a sign of a remake. Remember the very prevalent and never contradicted theory that the reason they picked Special up again in the first place was that they knew that GSC would be remade and they'd get there around the same time the games would be released. Which they did, sort of. I don't know if that idea is true or not, but as I said, it was never contradicted, and there was a GSC remake right at the predicted time.
    I don't think it's necessarily a sign of a remake; to me it just sounds more like Viz is holding out on it in case there ever is a remake. That or they just genuinely have no interest in publishing those three arcs; they did say they were "relaunching" Adventures with the DP arc. And huh, I had never heard of that theory before. I suppose it is possible though; but the thing is a remake of HGSS was already known of during the time of the rerelease, so they didn't know anything that the fans didn't already know. (which is why I'm not so sure they know about a possible RS remake before we (and even the fans in Japan) do)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshawott View Post
    When something isn't ready to announce to the public, deny it altogether. That's how business works.

    I'd expect that soon, we'll see a listing for "Pokémon Adventures: Ruby & Sapphire Volume 1"
    That's true, but I'm not sure if we'll see an announcement for the Ruby and Sapphire volumes that soon. Considering that they already have release dates for the fall releases for DP and BW, I don't think that they'll release that arc anytime this year. I could see maybe next year. I'm also not really sure if they are trying to time release the Ruby and Sapphire arc with a possible remake since they didn't really do that with the G/S/C arc. The games were already announced well before they reprinted those volumes and when HG/SS were released, they were still working on finishing the Yellow saga. I could see why they might want to wait until remakes come out so that there would be more interest in the Ruby/Sapphire arc, but that seems like a big risk to wait like that. While I do believe that there will be remakes of R/S, we don't know when that will happen for sure. I could see those games being announced next year for the tenth anniversary of the original games, similar to with HG/SS, but that's still not a guaranteed event. Plus, even if that does happen, the remakes wouldn't be release outside of Japan until the follow spring, assuming that the games are released in the fall. So, if they are just waiting for a remake to be announced/released, it feels kind of an unnecessary choice when there are still quite a few volumes for them to translate prior to the D/P/Pl arc and the releases for BW are most likely incomplete compared to the full volumes for the other arcs. I am glad that they are at least adding in the last G/S/C chapter into volume 14. It makes more sense to me to have the saga end there rather than including it in the beginning of the Ruby/Sapphire saga. I do hope that they'll eventually release the volumes for Ruby/Sapphire, FR/LG and Emerald. Considering that they have two Adventure volumes being released around the same time, three once the small volumes of BW are released, I kind of thought that meant that Pokemon Adventures volumes were selling quite well.

    EDIT:

    Okay, I wrote an email to Viz Media last night Here's what I wrote:

    Dear VIZ Media,

    I have been buying many of your manga titles, specifically Pokemon Adventures and various Yu-Gi-Oh! titles, for a number of years now. I have heard through various websites from other individuals that havesent similar emails that your company has no plans to release volume 15, or the Ruby and Sapphire volumes, and focus mainly on the Diamond/Pearl/Platinum and Black/White for future releases,. I am greatly disappointed upon hearing this news. I have been a fan of Pokemon Adventure ever since the original release of the Red/Blue/Green volumes from nearly ten years ago. One reason why I was so happy to hear that those volumes were being re-released a couple of years ago was due to the thought of reading thefuture arcs that I had only heard about through the Internet for the first time.. I have heard a lot of praise for the Ruby/Sapphire volumes and I do believe that some events from that saga, as well as the FireRed/LeafGreen and Emerald volumes, eventually come into play during the Diamond/Pearl/Platinum volumes. As a long time consumer for your products, I would greatly discourage this choice to ignore the volumes in-between the Gold/Silver/Crystal volumes and the current Diamond/Pearl/Platinum releases.Choosing to not release those volumes would prevent long time fans, such as myself and a new generation of Pokemon fans, from reading these volumes about older games for the first time and in turn, it would prevent your company from receiving more money from the sales from these volumes.

    I would greatly appreciate it if you could send me a reply whenever possible. Thank you for taking the time to read my email.
    Here is what they wrote back:

    Basically, we are relaunching with vol. 30: Diamond and Pearl/Platinum.

    Unless of course, enough people demand the volumes in between?
    That does sound a bit different than "we currently don't have any plans to release the volumes in-between" that other people apparently got. I know that they were relaunching with volume 30 since they did label it as the first volume. Still, I didn't think that would mean that they'd wouldn't release the other volumes between those two sagas. Honestly, after reading that message, I don't really believe that theory that they're waiting for R/S remakes to release the Ruby and Sapphire arc. If they were, I don't think that they'd bring up the possibility of enough people demanding the volumes in-between to release them. They'd just go ahead and release the volumes or keep it more vague with saying that they currently don't have plans to release them. I'm kind of upset with Viz since I was really looking forward to getting those older sagas. It looks like I'll eventually have to find a way to import the Ruby/Sapphire, FireRed/LeafGreen and Emerald arcs in order to read them.
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    Default Re: A reminder about Viz's phrasing

    Maybe it's just me, but I do know that "keep writing to us to convince us" is a common line to use regardless of their current plans. Sometimes companies really do hinge it on however many people write, other times they already have a plan to release it and just want to check interest, and so on.

    I mean, as I said, writing can't hurt, but it shouldn't be with the assumption that they'd otherwise plan not to release it.

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    They're probably just holding back for the RS remakes or something. It's all about making a profit after all and advertising. o3o

    Still RS is my favorite Arc so. u_u

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post
    I am glad that they are at least adding in the last G/S/C chapter into volume 14. It makes more sense to me to have the saga end there rather than including it in the beginning of the Ruby/Sapphire saga.
    I am glad too, since it means that we'll at least get the full G/S/C arc. To be honest I didn't think including the final chapter of G/S/C in volume 15 was that strange though. They try to make their volumes contain a certain amount of pages/chapters so I thought it was understandable; and including the final chapter in volume 15 before the start of the Ruby/Sapphire one didn't bother me at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post
    Considering that they have two Adventure volumes being released around the same time, three once the small volumes of BW are released, I kind of thought that meant that Pokemon Adventures volumes were selling quite well.
    I'm pretty sure it does mean they are selling well. I don't think any company would release more than one arc at once like that if the sales weren't good enough. (since there wouldn't be any incentive then)

    Quote Originally Posted by Viz Media View Post
    Basically, we are relaunching with vol. 30: Diamond and Pearl/Platinum.

    Unless of course, enough people demand the volumes in between?
    That's the EXACT same reply they gave me, and two other users. Apparently they're just copying and pasting it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post
    That does sound a bit different than "we currently don't have any plans to release the volumes in-between" that other people apparently got.
    As far as I know only one other person got that. And yeah, the reason it's different is because we're talking about more than just the R/S arc, so instead of using the same reply as the first one they're using this one to basically say that they don't plan to release any of the three arcs and why they don't plan to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post
    Honestly, after reading that message, I don't really believe that theory that they're waiting for R/S remakes to release the Ruby and Sapphire arc. If they were, I don't think that they'd bring up the possibility of enough people demanding the volumes in-between to release them. They'd just go ahead and release the volumes or keep it more vague with saying that they currently don't have plans to release them.
    To be honest I'm not so sure how much I believe that theory either. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if that turned out to be the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if they just don't release RS/FRLG/E either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackjack Gabbiani View Post
    other times they already have a plan to release it and just want to check interest, and so on.
    While that is true and possible, I would think if they really had a plan to release it they would have just said what they said with the R/S arc, that they currently have no plans to release it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackjack Gabbiani View Post
    I mean, as I said, writing can't hurt, but it shouldn't be with the assumption that they'd otherwise plan not to release it.
    I don't think there is anything wrong with assuming that. They said in their second reply that they were "relaunching" the series with the DP arc, which I don't think they would say if they were still planning to release the other three arcs at some point. These things are always carefully worded, after all.

    The way I look at it, based on everything they said, best case scenario will be us getting the R/S arc if/when R/S remakes come out. Worst case scenario would be us not getting the R/S, FR/LG, and Emerald arcs at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1dbad View Post
    I am glad too, since it means that we'll at least get the full G/S/C arc. To be honest I didn't think including the final chapter of G/S/C in volume 15 was that strange though. They try to make their volumes contain a certain amount of pages/chapters so I thought it was understandable; and including the final chapter in volume 15 before the start of the Ruby/Sapphire one didn't bother me at all.
    Well, having the final chapter in volume 15 doesn't really bother me. It just seems odd to have one arc end and another one begin in the same volume.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1dbad
    I'm pretty sure it does mean they are selling well. I don't think any company would release more than one arc at once like that if the sales weren't good enough. (since there wouldn't be any incentive then)
    That's what I thought since that would be the best incentive for them to release more than one arc at a time. That does make me question why they aren't planning on releasing the Ruby/Sapphire arc anytime soon when the older volumes apparently sold well enough for them to jump right into the Diamond/Pearl/Platinum arc.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1dbad
    As far as I know only one other person got that. And yeah, the reason it's different is because we're talking about more than just the R/S arc, so instead of using the same reply as the first one they're using this one to basically say that they don't plan to release any of the three arcs and why they don't plan to.
    I'm kind of surprised that only one person got the "we currently don't have plans to release these volumes" and everyone else has said that they're relaunching with D/P/Pl and may release the volumes in-between if there's enough demand, which sounds completely different and more definite.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1dbad
    To be honest I'm not so sure how much I believe that theory either. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if that turned out to be the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if they just don't release RS/FRLG/E either.
    I don't know why they'd want to wait that long just to release the R/S arc. That would mean waiting at least a year or two and while a remake might increase the sales for these older volumes, they didn't need to do that for the Red/Blue/Green/Yellow volumes.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1dbad
    I don't think there is anything wrong with assuming that. They said in their second reply that they were "relaunching" the series with the DP arc, which I don't think they would say if they were still planning to release the other three arcs at some point. These things are always carefully worded, after all.

    The way I look at it, based on everything they said, best case scenario will be us getting the R/S arc if/when R/S remakes come out. Worst case scenario would be us not getting the R/S, FR/LG, and Emerald arcs at all.
    I agree. If they had some plans to eventually release the R/S, FR/LG and Emerald arcs, I don't think that they would use the term relaunching the series with D/P/Pl arc and say that it might change if they get enough demands from fans. They would have just released those volumes or keep the "we currently have no plans to release these volumes" to keep it more vague and imply that they'll eventually release them, but they don't have any official dates in mind. It looks like I'll have to eventually import the Chuang Yi versions of those arcs anyway. I'll probably wait awhile to see if Viz does release the older volumes, but I would like to actually read these arcs at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post
    Well, having the final chapter in volume 15 doesn't really bother me. It just seems odd to have one arc end and another one begin in the same volume.
    I can understand that. It is odd; I guess I'm just used to Special doing it by now, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post
    I'm kind of surprised that only one person got the "we currently don't have plans to release these volumes" and everyone else has said that they're relaunching with D/P/Pl and may release the volumes in-between if there's enough demand, which sounds completely different and more definite.
    The reason for that is the person who got the "we currently don't have plans to release these volumes" answer only asked if they were going to release the R/S volumes. Everyone else asked about the FR/LG and Emerald arcs as well and asked why, which was why we got a different response.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Mew View Post
    They would have just released those volumes or keep the "we currently have no plans to release these volumes" to keep it more vague and imply that they'll eventually release them, but they don't have any official dates in mind. It looks like I'll have to eventually import the Chuang Yi versions of those arcs anyway. I'll probably wait awhile to see if Viz does release the older volumes, but I would like to actually read these arcs at some point.
    Exactly. And yeah, that's probably what everyone who wants to own the R/S, FR/LG and Emerald arc volumes will have to do. Definitely wait a while to see if they might release them though. Just to be on the safe side.

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    Good thing this thread was made; even TV Tropes is getting edited now constantly to declare that the GenIII volumes won't see the light in America ever, which is a quite wrong assumption. I hope that, if anyone here is editing the Tropes page to say so, they will stop now; seriously, this is just how the business works!

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    Viz's website only lists a mail address; don't they have a general customer services email?

    Also, surely if they're doing DPt, then going to BW...what about the HGSS chapter?

    EDIT: Maybe this petition will be the best way to show demand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshawott View Post
    Viz's website only lists a mail address; don't they have a general customer services email?
    Yes they do. Here it is: customer.service@viz.com

    It's the same one everybody (myself included) have been emailing and the exact same one we've all been getting our responses from too. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Joshawott View Post
    Also, surely if they're doing DPt, then going to BW...what about the HGSS chapter?
    They may or may not do it. They already released the GSC chapter though, so they may consider it unnecessary to release HGSS since GSC has already done what that arc would do sale-wise anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joshawott View Post
    EDIT: Maybe this petition will be the best way to show demand?
    That's not a bad idea! I already signed and I'll tell some of my other friends so they can sign/help promote it as well. :P

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